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Guys, on most regs, the Teflon is against the brass cone, even when not under pressure. There's a spring that holds it against the cone.
I'm sorry, but that is simply not true.

Check your diagrams and review how a first stage seals, and it should be obvious that absent tank pressure, both a piston and a diaphragm first stage reg are open, with no contact between the orifice and HP seat.
It is IP that closes the valve.

Yes, when you assemble a regulator, the diaphragm reg has light contact between orifice and valve seat. But only until you apply a bit of spring pressure to the diaphragm. But prior to assembling the top half, that contact pressure is an amount applied only by the small spring behind the poppet. Hardly enough to make an imprint. But that light pressure is why most manufacturers (except Scubapro) recommend assembling the top half (diaphragm and mainspring) first, so that the valve never closes until the guide pin is in place.

The ONLY exception to this is if you assemble the HP side of a diaphragm first stage first, and apply tank pressure with no mainspring in place, in order to check valve seal. Then, you will have contact between poppet and orifice both with and without tank pressure. Once your assemble the rest of the reg, the valve moves to "open", until you turn the tank on.
 
On all 1st stages the HP seat rests against the HP orifice held in place by its IP spring.
No, my friend, the opposite is true.
The "IP spring" as you put it, pushes the piston (or diaphragm pin connected to the poppet) AWAY from the HP seat, until the tank is turned on, and IP closes the valve.

I hate to be snarky, but seeing two "1000+ dives" members making these statements is one more reason why DIY regulator service should be approached with caution.

Buy Regulator Savvy from ScubaTools.com and read it...twice.
 
You should see the way we dive ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Checking ip takes me about 20 minutes by the time I average out my five ip gauges that all read differently

So I never bother
 
No, my friend, the opposite is true.
The "IP spring" as you put it, pushes the piston (or diaphragm pin connected to the poppet) AWAY from the HP seat, until the tank is turned on, and IP closes the valve.

I hate to be snarky, but seeing two "1000+ dives" members making these statements is one more reason why DIY regulator service should be approached with caution.

Buy Regulator Savvy from ScubaTools.com and read it...twice.

On reflection you are absolutely correct. A little snarky is OK just don't push it. It is a balancing act between forces. I see very few 1st stage seats deformed unlike 2nd stage seats. Thanks for correcting my feeble thought process.
 
Buy Regulator Savvy from ScubaTools.com and read it...twice.
Blub. Would like to, but $32 shipping to Canada on a $38 book is a blocker for now.
 
I'm pretty sure this regulator is not pressurized. Notice how the spring is holding the piston off of the seat.
MK10 cutaway with color coded seals.jpg
 

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I'm pretty sure this regulator is un-pressurized. Notice how the spring is holding the piston off of the seat.
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Awesome. Thanks
 

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