Seeking the DIR Answer: Must DIR Shops be Committed?

[jeckyll]

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Really, get over it. The sour grapes are getting wicked old, fast.

I'd second that...

okay..no oath, no rules ....high standards?..can we agree on that? if not, then it is all one big wet noodle.

I am mistaken?...

Yup. Is that going to stop you though?

 

[sea nmf]

Oh - sorry! I shouldn't have given my opinion here. She was asking DIR only.
Sorry. (Bowing as I back out)

(I mean this sincerely - not sarcastically. Sometimes hard to tell in writing)

 

[Cacia]

*You* can do whatever *you* want to do.

well, I do.
No sour grapes just...a rub I'll confess.

When I posted the question, I honestly did not know the answer.
Now, I do...thanks.

 

[RJP]

So you don't see an issue with them telling me not to enter a wreck, while they accept cash to take tourists- less trained,- less experienced than me in there whom even I might raise my eyebrows at? people with 6 or 7 dives?

Okay...I'm in the deep end then.

Have you seen GUE/DIR instructors doing this? It would make me think less of that particular person based on their own specific hypocrisy in terms of taking divers into an environment that they have no business being in. In fact ANY instructor regardless of agency that that takes "under-qualified" divers into such an environment is suspect in my book.

 

[Soggy]

Have you seen GUE/DIR instructors doing this? It would make me think less of that particular person based on their own specific hypocrisy in terms of taking divers into an environment that they have no business being in. In fact ANY instructor regardless of agency that that takes "under-qualified" divers into such an environment is suspect in my book.

They would likely have their GUE instructor card revoked, too.

 

[Charlie99]

well, I do.
No sour grapes just...a rub I'll confess.

When I posted the question, I honestly did not know the answer.
Now, I do...thanks.

I do indeed understand your confusion.

On one hand we have divers espousing a philosophy of always doing things the right way or not doing them at all; of never lowering standards; using helium in the mix for any dive beyond xx feet; never using air (except for tires), etc. Then those same divers turn around and violate those standards on a daily basis when running or working on charters.

It's merely the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. A less charitable person would call it hypocrisy (in the true meaning of the work: false pretentions to virtue).

 

[MBH]

Nobody's perfect Catherine, not GUE, or Bill Main, or El-Guappo, nor JJ, not even little ol' me is perfect. Why are you coming down so hard on DIR? If you know anything about GUE- then you should know how to file a formal complaint against an offending party.

Diving with DIR divers is as good or better than I thought it would be. I intend to do everything in my power to bring other divers into the fold that we call DIR. I will do it leading by example. I would rather light a candle than curse our darkness. But...that's just me.

 

[H2Andy]

well, you guys need to know Catherine basically questions pretty much everything this way, not just DIR

it's her way ...

i like it

 

[Cacia]

It would just be so nice if people could take my question at face value and not accuse me of "wicked sour grapes"

If I cared how popular I was or "what people thought of me" why the hell would I come in here and ask for a DIR answer to a confusing question I have? Afterall, I've seen some of you in action before. This is not the place to seek compliments, lol.

But what happens?

I just would like for some of you to see it from my flippers for a second. I guess that is asking too much. All this time I thought maybe our situation *here* is some rare exception, so I try and look past that. Now that I know it is "par for the course" I feel a little stupid, honestly. If some of you really cannot fathom the question, then
so be it, I can accept that.

then you should know how to file a formal complaint against an offending party.

Not my way. I don't report others, I am only out for myself. I was seeking this answer for myself, trying to square some things in my own mind.

 

[TSandM]

I don't know that it's "par for the course", catherine. Our local GUE shop here isn't a dive op. They do teach OW -- They have to. I don't know what their OW classes are like now, but I know who they have had teach for them in the past, and I'm quite sure that at least at that time, the OW class was as DIR-sympathetic as they could make it. I know their charters are DIR and dive DIR profiles and gases.

I know you have had issues for a long time with the Oahu shop and how they do things, and for all I know, you may have very legitimate criticisms of their "Do as I say, not as I do" approach to things. But I do not think you can paint the entire DIR universe with the same brush. Condemn your local operation if you think it meet to do so, but do not generalize. You don't have the data.