Scubapro Announces MK25 EVO/S620 TI WHITE EDITION!!

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I’m waiting for the ANSTI-gate equivalence so that I can invoke the compulsory car-to-reg (-industry) metaphor and its “innovation”

Bad joke aside, if you don’t have to scrap/save/get nifty with resources, no innovation is gonna happen — being golden in market share doesn’t change much about it, ask all them VW peeps that needed to fake a required benchmark

SP does(did) innovate on a manufacturing level, they have the huge supply chain that enables cross compatible parts, material choices (late to the Ti train tho), lab-rating innovation “steps” across the lineup; and capitalizes on that by making this huge lineup where we get “distributed” mini-innovation, never an mk11evoT with a g260Ti and a sealing to mk17 upgrade kit (oh that’s a good idea, they should make these kits like Mares does), so we buy more of it all — good on them sucks for us

Sometimes they made a big gamble like the g500, the pilot, the c350, but then break hearts in another ways (I want that damn mk11T and cone o2 seats for the mk10)

There are no emission requirement (like incremental EU4-5-6 on diesel for eg) pushing a need to make regulators more efficient, beyond the brag, that push the bar just a bit up
CE testing (for OC) doesn’t cut it to require innovation, the extra A just opens up an extra sector on heat shielding 1sts — but our bodies also don’t need more efficient regs
For CC it’s probably gonna be an easy benchmark soon-ish (maybe in to 5-10 years most units would be CE capable), and probably stagnation will catch up to that industry another 5-10y after that

Between the 80s-00s, innovation in F1 translated to seconds gained on the lap as follows (on avg):
(the much more costly, but is the main motive) engine performance: 30-300ms/lap
(Cheap bi-product) Tire material: 0.1-1.5s/lap
So they were making them drop their turbos, smaller engines … with each drop a leap happened
Maybe if we invoke a SAC-tax, reg design would get a bit of a renaissance — but then we’ll just end up diving rebreathers only 🤷🏽‍♀️
(Tax aside, I think that’s what I like the future to be like)

Here’s an idea for a real new requirement(-ish): thermal exchange compliance to be part of CE stamping a reg; I want them to squirm and fit an efficient yet tiny heat exchanger (like the KM) into second stages, be damned that dry mouth; who do I petition for this 😅?

And this is what kinda really breaks my heart — Dive science offers some research opportunities on the medicinal side, but (not in my time) on the engineering side; huge chunk of innovation comes from students
Working engineers wanna innovative too, but are more realistic/bound by the market forces (yes I would have loved to do that for living instead of, well car stuff— it’s what it’s 🥲)

(Damn that rant really got away from me and turned into a huge text wall, sorry y’all it I’m boring you)


wireless regulator sounds fly AF tho, I’d love a few, with built in PTT comms (and an off button) please

can you imagine spending the time to really figure out the pilot 2nd stage if you were a dive shop owner just scraping by and charging the going rate for service?
I’m still trynna figure that one out :confusing: , with all the time on hand and no customer asking for their reg
(Clearly designed by a badass genius that had little regard for supply chain)
 
I think part of the issue with regulators is that they already do what they need to just fine, and have for the last 30-40 years, or longer.

For any company the size of Scubapro, it’s about money first and foremost.
You're 100% spot on correct, @halocline
There's not much of an obvious market driver for something truly new and different.
Yet since it's all about the money, we can't deny the potential parallel with Intel.
Things look fine, until they don't.
Scubapro is still, always, king of the hill...until they aren't. In retrospect, it will be obvious. But at some point, some scrappy company will choose to innovate, turn plain ol' regulators on their head, and turn Scubapro into a has-been, just like NVIDIA has maybe done to Intel. Who saw it coming? It was just a damned video card!

Sorry. The Chiefs just won. I'm fantasizing again, like it's Superbowl time...

I dunno. Maybe someday it will be obvious that we should always have been diving some simple but "new" pneumatic, center-balanced valve with a big side exhaust on both sides, so you can roll 360° forward and back, look up or down, left or right and have no wet or hard breathing, ever. Your rig will bleed in Helium via a solenoid based on depth, and tech mixtures will go from Voodoo gas to ordinary, just like Nitrox. Nobody gets stupid at depth, and the heads-up display in your Tesla auto-drive mask bloody tells you in RED when you're starting to screw up. I dunno.

Why is there a market for off-road vehicles? Maybe 2% use them that way. And everybody with one else wants the rest of the world to think they play that way. There's still a market...
 
I’m waiting for the ANSTI-gate equivalence so that I can invoke the compulsory car-to-reg (-industry) metaphor and its “innovation”

Bad joke aside, if you don’t have to scrap/save/get nifty with resources, no innovation is gonna happen — being golden in market share doesn’t change much about it, ask all them VW peeps that needed to fake a required benchmark

SP does(did) innovate on a manufacturing level, they have the huge supply chain that enables cross compatible parts, material choices (late to the Ti train tho), lab-rating innovation “steps” across the lineup; and capitalizes on that by making this huge lineup where we get “distributed” mini-innovation, never an mk11evoT with a g260Ti and a sealing to mk17 upgrade kit (oh that’s a good idea, they should make these kits like Mares does), so we buy more of it all — good on them sucks for us

Sometimes they made a big gamble like the g500, the pilot, the c350, but then break hearts in another ways (I want that damn mk11T and cone o2 seats for the mk10)

There are no emission requirement (like incremental EU4-5-6 on diesel for eg) pushing a need to make regulators more efficient, beyond the brag, that push the bar just a bit up
CE testing (for OC) doesn’t cut it to require innovation, the extra A just opens up an extra sector on heat shielding 1sts — but our bodies also don’t need more efficient regs
For CC it’s probably gonna be an easy benchmark soon-ish (maybe in to 5-10 years most units would be CE capable), and probably stagnation will catch up to that industry another 5-10y after that

Between the 80s-00s, innovation in F1 translated to seconds gained on the lap as follows (on avg):
(the much more costly, but is the main motive) engine performance: 30-300ms/lap
(Cheap bi-product) Tire material: 0.1-1.5s/lap
So they were making them drop their turbos, smaller engines … with each drop a leap happened
Maybe if we invoke a SAC-tax, reg design would get a bit of a renaissance — but then we’ll just end up diving rebreathers only 🤷🏽‍♀️
(Tax aside, I think that’s what I like the future to be like)

Here’s an idea for a real new requirement(-ish): thermal exchange compliance to be part of CE stamping a reg; I want them to squirm and fit an efficient yet tiny heat exchanger (like the KM) into second stages, be damned that dry mouth; who do I petition for this 😅?

And this is what kinda really breaks my heart — Dive science offers some research opportunities on the medicinal side, but (not in my time) on the engineering side; huge chunk of innovation comes from students
Working engineers wanna innovative too, but are more realistic/bound by the market forces (yes I would have loved to do that for living instead of, well car stuff— it’s what it’s 🥲)

(Damn that rant really got away from me and turned into a huge text wall, sorry y’all it I’m boring you)


wireless regulator sounds fly AF tho, I’d love a few, with built in PTT comms (and an off button) please


I’m still trynna figure that one out :confusing: , with all the time on hand and no customer asking for their reg
(Clearly designed by a badass genius that had little regard for supply chain)
I don’t believe you can read that ramble without a stiff drink nearby. And I don’t drink!
 
I don’t believe you can read that ramble without a stiff drink nearby. And I don’t drink!
That’s fair

I did have a stiff one to make it happen
Damn that rant really got away from me and turned into a huge text wall
 

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