Scubapro Announces MK25 EVO/S620 TI WHITE EDITION!!

[BoundForElsewhere]

I thought about that but INHO not really innovative. Just a fancy schmancy BCD. Like it or not, the Avelo is innovative. SP just produce high quality “me too” stuff.

true. i'm still waiting for hoseless regulators.

 

[tridacna]

true. i'm still waiting for hoseless regulators.

Easy. Go buy s Spare Air. Problem solved!

 

[rsingler]

I'm beginning to think it's like this year's collapse of Intel. The world most famous chip company. But loss of market capitalization? 80%! Why? In no small part due to higher headquarters sclerosis.
Like not a few firms at the top of the heap, Scubapro has been complacent, and dare I say it, arrogant for a long time. Yes, incremental improvements from time to time. But no breakthrough introductions in a long time.
You can ask, how much innovation can there be in a sixty year old spring loaded valve? But shoot, there are so many competing needs, that scuba is still begging for the perfect second stage. Low breathing effort, all position dryness, meet EN250A standards, cold water stability, high flow delivery, performs even with variable IP... there's a lot to deliver.
Yet all we get is the same barrel design. And new colors.

 

[OMyMyOHellYes]

i'm still waiting for hoseless regulators.

Conversely, you can already get regulatorless hoses now. No wait.

 

[lexvil]

I'm beginning to think it's like this year's collapse of Intel. The world most famous chip company. But loss of market capitalization? 80%! Why? In no small part due to higher headquarters sclerosis.
Like not a few firms at the top of the heap, Scubapro has been complacent, and dare I say it, arrogant for a long time. Yes, incremental improvements from time to time. But no breakthrough introductions in a long time.
You can ask, how much innovation can there be in a sixty year old spring loaded valve? But shoot, there are so many competing needs, that scuba is still begging for the perfect second stage. Low breathing effort, all position dryness, meet EN250A standards, cold water stability, high flow delivery, performs even with variable IP... there's a lot to deliver.
Yet all we get is the same barrel design. And new colors.

I think SP has learned that to much innovation can backfire with a stuck in the mud customer base and a clinging to an outdated business model, the D series of second stages (including the 420) didn’t look like they are “supposed to look” performance be dammed. The Atomic TFX has a cachet that comes with “before Atomic there was no best” advertising yet before the TFX there was no innovation from them for over 20 years. Regulators seem to be settled science.

The Hydros was/is an evolutionary revolutionary b/c

And the Supernova/S tek fins are somewhat evolutionary-revolutionary fin designs.

 

[tridacna]

I'm beginning to think it's like this year's collapse of Intel. The world most famous chip company. But loss of market capitalization? 80%! Why? In no small part due to higher headquarters sclerosis.
Like not a few firms at the top of the heap, Scubapro has been complacent, and dare I say it, arrogant for a long time. Yes, incremental improvements from time to time. But no breakthrough introductions in a long time.
You can ask, how much innovation can there be in a sixty year old spring loaded valve? But shoot, there are so many competing needs, that scuba is still begging for the perfect second stage. Low breathing effort, all position dryness, meet EN250A standards, cold water stability, high flow delivery, performs even with variable IP... there's a lot to deliver.
Yet all we get is the same barrel design. And new colors.

You gotta wonder how long JO is going to put up with anemic sales and no growth

I think SP has learned that to much innovation can backfire with a stuck in the mud customer base and a clinging to an outdated business model, the D series of second stages (including the 420) didn’t look like they are “supposed to look” performance be dammed. The Atomic TFX has a cachet that comes with “before Atomic there was no best” advertising yet before the TFX there was no innovation from them for over 20 years. Regulators seem to be settled science.

The Hydros was/is an evolutionary revolutionary b/c

And the Supernova/S tek fins are somewhat evolutionary-revolutionary fin designs.

SP fins are evolutionary. Neither innovative nor revolutionary. Ditto for D-series regs. Their computers are “me too” kludges with BS features like HR and temp.

Innovative will be DCs that can sense real bubble formation and growth.

 

[rsingler]

I mean, it's always easy to hate on the 800 pound gorilla. But, come on! They're Scubapro! What's happening? What bean-counter is cutting their R&D lire?

 

[halocline]

I mean, it's always easy to hate on the 800 pound gorilla. But, come on! You're Scubapro! What's happening? What bean-counter is cutting their R&D lire?

I think part of the issue with regulators is that they already do what they need to just fine, and have for the last 30-40 years, or longer. There’s not that much to gain going from a MK10/G250 (or something similar) to whatever the latest thing is.

Another issue, I’ll bet, is that innovative, different regulator designs require more training and ongoing learning by the technicians that will be working on them. That’s great for someone like you, but unfortunately you do not represent the norm in dive shop technicians. And in some ways who can fault them…can you imagine spending the time to really figure out the pilot 2nd stage if you were a dive shop owner just scraping by and charging the going rate for service?

For any company the size of Scubapro, it’s about money first and foremost.

 

[tridacna]

I mean, it's always easy to hate on the 800 pound gorilla. But, come on! They're Scubapro! What's happening? What bean-counter is cutting their R&D lire?

I reckon JO is counting their beans. Losing RD to Atlantis was an interesting move.

 

[BoltSnap]

I think part of the issue with regulators is that they already do what they need to just fine, and have for the last 30-40 years, or longer. There’s not that much to gain going from a MK10/G250 (or something similar) to whatever the latest thing is.

Another issue, I’ll bet, is that innovative, different regulator designs require more training and ongoing learning by the technicians that will be working on them. That’s great for someone like you, but unfortunately you do not represent the norm in dive shop technicians. And in some ways who can fault them…can you imagine spending the time to really figure out the pilot 2nd stage if you were a dive shop owner just scraping by and charging the going rate for service?

For any company the size of Scubapro, it’s about money first and foremost.

Holly nitrox, first time ever I agree with you %