Recreational divers, post your rig here, let's share good and bad ideas

[SouthernSharktoothDiver]

@USdiver1 I would recommend getting at least a little bit of training on using one before you do so, or at least doing some research. Bleeding is worse in water, yes, but it also looks much, much worse than it is because of the dilution. Furthermore, misuse of a tourniquet could actually kill you, if, for example, you gave yourself compartment syndrome or a fat embolism, and the circumstances to require one are generally quite dire. I would recommend acquiring some 12x12 gauze pads and some compression bandages, however, as those could stop smaller cuts quite effectively (once you're back on the boat, of course)

 

[Blackcrusader]

It’s easy to criticize without reading the evidence and then make a straw man arguement to shoot down any posts that do not support your chosen actions.

Even with all this experience I am not sure I would feel confident I could successfully place a premade tourniquet on a (likely panicked) victim at depth or on the surface with any chop what so ever. Now you want to improvise one on top of that? Good luck.

Did you know those lovely curled slates one might wear on your arm make great pressure plates along with that reef hook rope? No I would not be trying to put one on a panicked diver in the water. Not like they would be still enough unless they were unconcious. A panicked diver is often not in control of themselves.

Could always drops the weights from a weight belt and use that.

Where did anyone write about putting a torniquet on a panicked diver in the water?

 

[Blackcrusader]

The tourniquet as an essential piece of kit has only crossed my mind courtesy of this thread, so thank you to the divers who mentioned it. I may add a tourniquet to my surface kit, or even put one in the pocket of my BCD.

I will add a "proper" torniquet to my kit then. I was the one who brought it up. Yeah the discourse skittled off about if a reef hook line or sports shoe lace could be used as a torniquet. I had a diver with a non life threatending injury. While he was cutting off fishing line and managed to slice nearly all the way through a finger. The shoe lace from my camera platform stemmed the bleeding till he got to a clinic.

 

[Blackcrusader]

And finally - have you ever actually used a tourniquet? Have you ever rescued someone from the water? .

Yes to both. I wrote about it on a thread on this forum somewhere.
Nice insulting face with rolling eyes you use there. Very dismissive.

 

[Blackcrusader]

I appreciate when someone challenges me, I welcome a healthy debate. I'm good with how I dive, I try to explain my reasoning with long, detailed factual posts. I listen to the counterpoints made by others and consider whether or not they make sense and might be a better way of doing things. I created a funny meaningless name for my unique way of using the stony bottle because- and there are threads here to support this- the challenges evaporate if I call it something else.

Do you tell other recreational divers who are not solo qualified you dive with a stony bottle? Do you tell other tec or solo divers who use stage tanks and pony bottles your term. I dive with people who use both a stage tank and a separate pony on dives. They do not conflate the two.

If you want to use both tanks on your solo dives no one can tell you to do otherwise. This is why on the first page of this thread people questioned your term stony bottle.

 

[Blackcrusader]

On personal note usually a bottle to extend a dive it s call a stage bottle. This is calculated in the gas planing and it s outside recreational diving. It does obviously need additional training that is not part of the open water course by any agencies.

I don't think solo diving is recreational but for @LI-er maybe its his recreation.

He does not think that deco diving is recreational diving but I do.

 

[kinoons]

Yes to both. I wrote about it on a thread on this forum somewhere.
Nice insulting face with rolling eyes you use there. Very dismissive.

It was intended to be - as you acknowledge you wouldn’t likely try to use a tourniquet in the water in the post before this one, but also made a post that I was advocating someone bleed to death being brought to the beach which also was not what I was saying. You also stated you had these items in your BCD, at least implying they could be used during the dive. None the less I will acknowledge that you did not specifically state application would take place at depth or in the water in your earlier posts, so my apologies for that interpretation and included snark with my reply about use in the water.

I still stand by the established by research evidence that improvised tourniquets often do not work, and relying on the ability to construct one is foolish when commercially available tourniquets are readily available and not cost prohibitive. While I would not carry one with me at depth having one available on the surface, either on the boat or on shore for such dives isn’t a bad idea at all.

 

[Blackcrusader]

You also stated you had these items in your BCD, at least implying they could be used during the dive.

Feck me. You do have an active imagination. You should write a novel. I never implied I would try to put on a torniquet during a dive. No where did I write or even insinuate that. . But at the surface? Yes. Thing is even on a boat dive an incident can happen out of sight of the boat such as when diving around a small island and the boat is on the other side and there is only a wall that cannot be climbed to get onto the island. I guess you are correct though about the shoe laces. Once when boarding a slight I forgot I had a very small 2 inch star screwdriver I used for screwing my camera to my platform. It was taken as a security issue. Very threatening device I was told. I asked what about the sports shoe laces. The security people told me they are not a security threat. So I showed them how to make a torniquet.... sorry wrong word... a garrote , and showed how easily I could kill someone by choking them to death.

Right they said give me that. I asked were they going to remove all the shoe laces from the passangers as well. This does not compute on their faces was priceless. OK you can have your lace back.

So how about using a weight belt as a torniqet? I have not seen one boat with a torniquet but you can read about many people being hit by propellors.

I carry an emergency satellite beacon as well. I never use it during a dive either? Actually never used it at all as have not yet been swept out to the sea and lost.

 

[Blackcrusader]

It was intended to be -

So you just act all high and mighty and using a rolling eye to be dismissive when you know nothing about another diver. Such is life.

 

[Blackcrusader]

It is the most entertaining thread in a while. I switched to read mode in this thread just for entertainment.

We are missing your sage input.