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Razor 2.0 or 2.1 or SMS75

Discussion in 'Sidemount Diving' started by ScubaShaneVB, Jul 20, 2014.

  1. djcheburashka

    djcheburashka Manta Ray

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    It's uneventful *underwater*. Walking around on the boat it means the tank will rotate forward and accelerate toward the deck until it's movement is arrested by either regulator hoses, the diver falling, it hitting another diver, or the valve hitting the deck, perhaps at the regulator.
     
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  2. MSargeant

    MSargeant Nassau Grouper

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    For boat diving when I have to gear up before jumping in I use a choker and a double ender to connect the cylinder. Jump in, attach bungee and undo the double ender. Reverse process when getting out requires cylinders on.

    Not sure if they're in the States but the Bowstone sidemount pouch is really good, and cheaper than the Razor one.
     
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  3. Razorista

    Razorista Manta Ray

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    I found that much to time consuming and unnecessary after a while.

    It's not extendable, but useable.
     
  4. djcheburashka

    djcheburashka Manta Ray

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    Dude you really shouldn't be positioning yourself as an expert on this stuff... This is getting ridic...
     
  5. Razorista

    Razorista Manta Ray

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    Dude, I do not position myself to be anything!

    What makes you an expert?
    I see where this is leading, but I am not interested in your games.
     
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  6. BurhanMuntasser

    BurhanMuntasser Dive Charter

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    Can you please show pics of how you do this?

    ---------- Post added August 7th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ----------

    I always thought that "she" is a "Dudet" not a "Dude" but not sure now :)
     
  7. Sidemount_Stu

    Sidemount_Stu Nassau Grouper

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    Sorry, you found what too time consuming? Clipping a double ender between each cylinder and your D ring?

    I can't think of many things that offer this level of support and security that could be quicker???

    Would it help if they were special "Razor" double enders that cost 3 x the price of normal ones? [emoji33]
     
  8. Razorista

    Razorista Manta Ray

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    @Sitemount_Stu
    I am starting to dislike the attitude here...

    No that's one of the few things he got right.
    The name was meant to be androgynous when I came up with it.

    Unclipping from the D-Rings happens at a moment when I have other things on my mind.
    I often forgot or entangled one. Double-enders I dropped frequently when the water was moving.

    They also had absolutely no effect for me, the bungee was never stretched enough to pull on the additional clips (be it double-enders or bungeed boltsnaps), they where moving around without pull on them and became a hindrance, so I got rid of them completely.
    Before that I made several tests snapping the bungee on purpose and could not find any way to endanger myself with that.

    Btw.: neither Steve Bogaerts nor HP have those clips on their rigs when they put up tanks for display.
    I also do not see any sign of those in Patrick Widmann's Stealth pictures.
     
  9. Sidemount_Stu

    Sidemount_Stu Nassau Grouper

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    No offence directly intended, but it does come across that if it has a Razor badge you love it, if it doesn't, you don't.... that's just an observation, not a judgement!

    This i would put down to poor technique on your part then. There is plenty of time during safety stops where cylinder manipulation should be a breeze and frequently dropping double-enders is purely poor technique and not something i would envisage most people having a problem with. On that basis, if it's your justification personally for not using this technique, no problem, whatever works for you, but the forum is offering guidance and advice for the many, and in this case, still stands as good solid advice (IMHO)

    Again, if this is your experience, then fair enough, however I feel certain that this is not the wider experience. I don't admittedly have vast sidemount experience myself as i'm reasonably new to it myself. However, having taken verbal advice from one of the foremost Sidemount instructors in the UK and Europe, I tried this for myself and immediately experienced the benefits exactly as described.

    I'm not certain, but it's possible you've misunderstood the equipment in this case. The "only" thing that is left on the cylinders is the loop of marine chord around the neck of the cylinder, only marginally bigger than the neck itself. The double-enders in this case are usually clipped off at the butt, either on the ring, or within a pouch and retrieved only at the point they are to be connected, they are not left in place throughout the dive. After entry the bungee loop is connected and the double ender removed and stowed, brought back out for re-connecting, usually during the safety stop, prior to exit.
     
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  10. MSargeant

    MSargeant Nassau Grouper

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    How is clipping a double ender on/off time consuming... And how does it require your attention to unclip a double ender and attach a bungee... If one of the fundamental parts of sidemount diving requires a considerable amount of focus I suggest practising somewhere shallow... a lot.

    By unclip I mean unclip them and attach to the B ring at the back (where the rest of my accesories live)... Thought it was kind of obvious you wouldn't leave them on a cylinder or the shoulder D rings.

    I've had a bungee snap on the surface as I stood up. Wasn't too much of a ballache but i wouldn't have liked to catch it on a boat when have stages on. The hard connection is definitely worth the possibly 5 seconds of extra faff. It's all fun and games when you test what happens when a bungee snaps, but try it when you're awaiting to get in, or you don't expect it due to attention elsewhere, that is where it becomes an unwelcome pain in the arse.
     

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