Proper Equipment for Deep Cold Water Diving

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Paul,

I'll add my two cents worth and try to cut to the chase a bit.

Suggest the following:

Use environmentally sealed ballanced or over-ballanced regulators with heat exchangers in the second stages (both primary and octo). Don't worry about what brand -- They're mostly all good. These features will let the regs breathe nicely at 5 atmospheres and keep the moisture/water out and help prevent a freeze-up/free-flow.

Doubles are not for everybody - dive deep a lot then decide if they're right for you. But do replace your Al 80's with PST steel HP 100's because on the surface (full) they are only a couple or 3 lbs heavier than a full AL 80 and you've just upped your available gas supply by about 30%. And since you get to take 5-6 lbs of lead off your belt due to the better buoyancy characteristics of the steel tank you've lost about 2-4 lbs off your total dive system weight so it's also less stress on your back. When things get a bit puckered while deep you'll go through gas pretty fast and the extra 23 cubes could be a life saver.

The pony bottle argument is one of the most religious arguments on scubaboard. What I've found is that there are 3 camps - those who don't use them, those who use them wisely for good technical and safety reasons, and those who project their personal insecurities on everyone who will listen. To me it's simply a systems engineering decision - anytime 2-3 kicks won't get me to a buddy or the surface then at least some redundancy is my friend. Best trade-off on size/bulk/etc for the pony seems to be 30 cu ft. That's the size I use because the math based on my SAC and planned profiles tells me I can use it on the bottom for 2-3 minutes at 130 ft to clear a problem, then make a safe ascent and safety stop. Your bubblage may vary.

Dry suits are nice, but ... another religious discussion. Not strictly necessary from a safety point of view.

Didn't catch if you are Nitrox certified. If not, then that's a gotta - you can do it in an afternoon. Granted, at 130 ft the lean mixes of Nitrox that can be safely used don't buy you much - usually the equivalent of 10 -15 ft or so of equivalent depth and/or a pressure group or two. On the other hand, that few extra minutes of bottom time is one more little margin of safety to add to the others.

From the nice-to-have point of view: Deep=Dark - get an HID light - either a (expensive) canister light, or at least a (not too bad $) light cannon.

Enjoy the deep!

Tom
 
Paul, Tom covered it well in his post. I have been diving an AL80 and AL100 for years. Anytime I break 100' or do a penetration, I add a 20' pony. If I had it to do over again, I would go for a 30' so if you want a used 20' PM me. The other items I would add is some sort of a reel. GL vis can change quickly and a reel can add a sense of security when on the bottom.
 
This is a great discussion! So much to think about.

Sounds like steel is the way to go.

Nitrox is next on the list, along with rescue next summer.
 
do it easy:
I vote to the Abyss. They are great breathers without all the fine adjustments (knobs) that other brands have. It is just my opinion, but I prefer the simpler, more bulletproof design. I don't have a pony per se, but I do use Abyss regs on my deco bottles which I carry like slung ponies.

If price is an issue, I think there are other Mares regs, that have a similar design. These will probably be fine as well.

Hey Tony, how are you? My question isn't with the Abyss per se. I use an Abyss as my primary. But as an alternate air source reg, I was wondering. My understanding is that octo regs were less finely tuned than primaries for a reason, and that is because of the chance to free-flow when they are not in your mouth. So, should someone buy a primary reg for an alternate air source?
 
I think all you divers are way too rich for my blood. I dive a sherwood blizzard for my primary and a Dacor viper on my pony with EAN40 that i use as a deco bottle when doing deep dives. Also when i am not planning on doing any DECO the Pony is just a Pony just for if Mr. Murphy comes and screws up my day i will be ready.
They both work great and are Far CHEEPER than your hot shot Apex and Posioden and SCUBAPRO. I have seen several scubaPROs and Mares free flow in cold water. I have never seen a sherwood blizzard free flow and the cost about 1/4 the cost as your HOT SHOT regs.

Also Pcarlson1911 i would invest in a Dry Suit and a Pony, i use a 30 and my buddy has a 40cuft. and maybe buy a cheeper end reg like the sherwood blizzard. Dont spend the big money on a reg for a pony no need for a 600$ reg when you can get a great one for 250$

In the end safe diving to everone and whatever works for you use it and let you buddy know.
 
Now now, no name calling. :D

I picked up a pair of used Poseidon Odins for $500 8 years ago and they're still outperforming anything else I've ever owned.
 
Yup, of my four Poseidons I bought three of them used and they all work great. That said, I have a Dacor Viper Tec Gold that works great in the cold water as well. But I do prefer the Poseidons. My backup reg and my deco reg are both de-tuned slightly, but differently.

A drysuit is a must around here IMO. I especially appreciate my dry gloves. I left mine in the motel one day while diving Lake Superior last weekend and my hands suffered big time in my 5mm wet gloves.
 
Dean810:
Hey Tony, how are you? My question isn't with the Abyss per se. I use an Abyss as my primary. But as an alternate air source reg, I was wondering. My understanding is that octo regs were less finely tuned than primaries for a reason, and that is because of the chance to free-flow when they are not in your mouth. So, should someone buy a primary reg for an alternate air source?

This might be one of those personal preference questions. If it were my pony, I would buy another Abyss for the same reason that I bought them for my doubles and deco regs, but if it makes you more comfortable to have a different reg, that's your choice.

Here's the way I see it- If the reg frequently freeflows, then it isn't suitable/properly tuned for the environment. If it freeflows every once in a while, maybe because of crud or ice cubes in the water, then you can feather the valve, provided it is carried in a place you can reach it. If the pony is mounted in a place that you can't manipulate the valve, then maybe a lower performance reg would be safer, but this seems to me to be the least efficient option. Again, it's all breaks down to personal preference and configuration.

In other news, I've been blowing bubbles- I did a trip to Mermet last weekend and trip to Wazee this weekend. OK, hijack over...
 
DudleyNMU:
I think all you divers are way too rich for my blood. I dive a sherwood blizzard for my primary and a Dacor viper on my pony with EAN40 that i use as a deco bottle when doing deep dives. Also when i am not planning on doing any DECO the Pony is just a Pony just for if Mr. Murphy comes and screws up my day i will be ready.
They both work great and are Far CHEEPER than your hot shot Apex and Posioden and SCUBAPRO. I have seen several scubaPROs and Mares free flow in cold water. I have never seen a sherwood blizzard free flow and the cost about 1/4 the cost as your HOT SHOT regs.

Also Pcarlson1911 i would invest in a Dry Suit and a Pony, i use a 30 and my buddy has a 40cuft. and maybe buy a cheeper end reg like the sherwood blizzard. Dont spend the big money on a reg for a pony no need for a 600$ reg when you can get a great one for 250$

In the end safe diving to everone and whatever works for you use it and let you buddy know.

The Sherwoods have a good track record. If you want to use Dacor Vipers for cold water deep diving your asking for trouble. I had one of those. You could tune it anyway you want and even with a cold water kit installed it would freeflow in cold, 130 fow dives.
Great reg to take to the warm water of Mexico. If the locals rip you off, your not out much.

Jim
 

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