Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[Ber Rabbit]

Hey Ron, I'll take those odds with that particular dog :biggrin: He was originally on a leash but slipped his prong collar. He was 50-60 pounds and I've dominated bigger dogs in wrestling matches over the years. If it had been a surprise attack I would bet on the dog but technique beats brute strength and I knew the angle of attack and had time to set myself to use his momentum against him plus that particular location was loaded with weapons of opportunity. I would have been more worried if he had not submitted so easily when my dog had enough of his domination antics, it only took one bark/snarl from her to make him give up on her and come after me. I think he was a young dog maybe 2 or so and not fully developed or confident in his ability. He didn't have the heavily muscled body I've seen on other pit bulls but he was well-formed and certainly not malnourished.

Whoever let those girls take that dog out for a walk needs to have their head examined.
Ber :lilbunny:

 

[ShakaZulu]

How does my dogs in my car effect you? My dogs go everywhere. They are well behaved and if i want them in my car with me then so be it. They are living beings which enjoy outings and need to be entertained.

Miranda

Dogs don't care....I see people driving around with dogs, taking them to dogs beach and all kinds of silly things? You are rght, they make them a member of the family. You walk into the home of a dog owner, and it smells like a petshop, dog hair everywhere? It's just another animal, threat it as such..........

PS. Your tank strap is about to come undone in your profile pic.




To pinch or not to pinch
Is the prong collar an instrument of torture or a universal trainingdevice?

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In the old days, dogs were trained on chain slip-collars known commonly as chokers. Today, the chain collar has been joined by a nylon version, a snap-on slip collar, a humane choker, a Halti head collar, and a no-pull halter. Each training device has its followers, as does the plain buckle collar.

Turmoil surrounds another training device that is gaining in popularity and is described as both cruel and humane. Known as the prong or pinch collar, this interlocking steel link collar looks like a medieval torture device, but it is actually a gentle tool for training many dogs with little or no tugging, jerking, or pulling. However, it is not suitable for all dogs, and herein lies the problem.

Slip collars should fit just below the dog's ears for good results. They work by tightening and loosening a noose around the dog's neck. A harsh jerk with a slip collar can damage a dog's trachea. Furthermore slip collars may not be effective on dogs with thick necks or thick coats, particularly if they slide out of position.

The humane choker looks like a prong collar made of chain instead of interlocking links. It has two loops, one of which fits around the dog's neck. The second loop is attached to the first and is used to tighten the chain when necessary to guide the dog or correct his behavior. This collar is becoming more popular among trainers who prefer to teach the dog through motivation rather than correction.

The head collar and the no-pull halter work by pressuring the dog's head in the former case and his underarms in the latter case. Although they are hailed by some as the only humane training devices effective on every dog, they do not live up to this advance billing. The head collar can injure a thin-necked dog and is not suitable for nervous, fearful, or jumpy dogs, and the no-pull halter may be counterproductive on thick-skinned, hard-headed dogs.

Of all these training devices, the prong collar is the most misunderstood. Those trainers who put one on every dog are as misguided as those who refuse to use them. The prong is not suitable for aggressive dogs and is too harsh for extremely shy or fearful dogs. The prong is not for young puppies, although it can be used under the guidance of an experienced trainer for older puppies.

The prong collar is made of interlocking links, each with two blunt prongs that pinch the dog's skin when the collar is tightened. It should fit snugly just below the dog's ears. Unlike the chain slip collar, it puts even pressure around the neck by pinching the skin in a band about a half inch wide. No pressure is put directly on the trachea with the pinch collar.

 

[RonFrank]

Nice article ScubaTexan!

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amerpit.html

I thought this was very relavant:

"It was a textbook dog-biting case: unneutered, ill-trained, charged-up dogs, with a history of aggression and an irresponsible owner, somehow get loose, and set upon a small child. The dogs had already passed through the animal bureaucracy of Ottawa, and the city could easily have prevented the second attack with the right kind of generalization—a generalization based not on breed but on the known and meaningful connection between dangerous dogs and negligent owners. But that would have required someone to track down Shridev Café, and check to see whether he had bought muzzles, and someone to send the dogs to be neutered after the first attack, and an animal-control law that insured that those whose dogs attack small children forfeit their right to have a dog. It would have required, that is, a more exacting set of generalizations to be more exactingly applied. It’s always easier just to ban the breed."

So in the case of the dog in this article, the government basically had a smoking gun, fined the owner (I BET they collected those fines!), assigned the owner terms and conditions to keeping the dogs, and then did nothing to follow up. To make it worst, they did not neuter the dogs when that had them.

When the same thing happens AGAIN with the same dogs/owner, rather than admiting that they did NOTHING when they had the opportunity, they completely over react. What does the BAN accomplish? Nothing as the same irresponsible owners are going to ignore the law, and the same irresponsible government is not following through until someone get's hurt.

 

[Cacia]

Seabiscuit, please don't be offended. I am saying that if you a have children, unless you are extremely controlling, you will have difficulty executing what you described, thats all.

 

[herman]

Ber, glad to hear you and your dog came out OK. While I like Doc's suggestion, often it's not practical. On the other hand, when not taking Docs advice, I carry a can of dog repellent, basically it's pepper spray labeled for dogs.....it works very well, on both the 2 and 4 legged variety. I would suggest you consider getting a can. The nice thing about this option, if you miss and hit your dog she will not be too happy for a while but there is no permanent damage.
While I love dogs I refuse to be a victim of an attack. Jamming something in the mouth of a lab may work but a determined pit bull is not going to be easily stopped, you were lucky this time. If you are bitten the only useful recourse with this type of dog is to gouge his eyes out. I know, not some thing I care the have to do but it’s the only way a person has of stopping this kind of attack short of several well placed rounds. He will let go and with no eyes has no means of locating you for a second run.

 

[DennisW]

In actuality, Cocker Spaniels bite more people than any other breed. However, I know I can take out a Cocker if needed. A big Pit Bull or Rottwieler are differnt animals altogether and can scare the bejeezus out of me. They are extremely strong and have thick necks.

One of my neighbors in VA has a Rottweiler that he lets outside from time to time. They have an electric fence, but the dog is smart and tests the batteries in his collar. Before I met the dog, I was taking a walk one afternoon and I heard galloping through the trees between his house and the road. When I looked, there was a black bullet heading right for me. I honestly believed either the dog or I was going to die within the next couple of minutes. I believe that if the dog were to attack I would have two things I could do. 1) When he jumped, I could try to grab his front paws and roll backwards while trying to snap them up and then down hopefully breaking both legs. or if I missed on that maneuver, 2) Jam my hand down his throat and grab hold of his tongue while I pulled my pocket knife from my pocket and try to get it open and hopefully do as much damage as I could from there. Maybe he would choke to death on my useless and probably removed arm.

Amazing how much you can think of in less than 5 seconds.

It turns out the dog wanted to play and just came up to me and wagged himself silly. Rottweilers usually have their tails removed when they are small and this one was no exception. A very friendly dog.

 

[H2Andy]

He will let go and with no eyes has no means of locating you for a second run.

how about smell?

personally, i think that if a dog is close enough to you to get to you,
you're gonna take a lot of damage

i'd prefer to keep them off me.

i also doubt that there will be time to shoot the dog more than once or
twice, and i don't think that's going to stop their charge, particularly a
larger dog.

 

[cinder4320]

PS. Your tank strap is about to come undone in your profile pic.

Thats just the extra band. The diva has a worthless second clip thingy and apparently the webbing is a bit long

Dogs don't care....I see people driving around with dogs, taking them to dogs beach and all kinds of silly things? You are rght, they make them a member of the family. You walk into the home of a dog owner, and it smells like a petshop, dog hair everywhere? It's just another animal, threat it as such..........

You obviously don't know much about dogs. Many people spend their career learning about them and their needs. Our dogs are like our children. They go to the beach, the dog park, stores, everywhere. They do enjoy and they do know the difference. They are intelligent. They know that the park is different from a walk and respond so. We can drive all over town running errands but when we pass their favorite play place they will acknowledge it. Thats fine if youre not a dog person but you're absolutely incorrect when you say they don't the difference and are content to be left at home. My home does not smell. Don't generalize.

Miranda

 

[bladephotog]

Glad you made out ok Ber. I just photographed a girl for a story we did who was attacked by a presa canario/american bulldog mix, which our local courts consider a pitt bull. She wasn't so lucky. Here's the link if you're interested. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbc...060310&Category=NEWS03&ArtNo=603100448&Ref=AR

There is a pretty high media profile on these dogs right now, justly or unjustly. Lots of breeds bite people, not just pit bulls. But they sure seem to do a lot of damage when they do attack.

 

[Green_Manelishi]

your comment is a non-sequitur. it does not follow from what i said. if
anything, it supports my statement that these "dimwits" are bad owners,
who do not know their breed. again, no bad dogs, just bad owners.

by the way, could you name me a breed of dog that is not intended to be
a pet?

Says you.

Pit bulls (and I am aware it's a term not favored by some) were originally bred to fight. Despite all the chattering to the contrary, that's what that breed has as part of its genetic makeup and to deny it is idiotic. So, when it cops a tude, it's just doing its thing. Too bad "its thing" is so frequently injurious to whatever it did its thing to.

I'd no sooner keep a breed of dog that was bred to fight than I'd keep a snake that did its thing by biting and injecting venom, or constricting.