Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[Green_Manelishi]

Ber,

handguns are remarkably effective tools. A 4" stainless steel Smith & Wesson revolver in .357 magnum, for example, may be stored next to your dog leash with relative ease, and tucked into your belt with minimum fuss. I understand that pit bulls require significant amounts of pursuasion before they'll cease attacking, but six rounds of .357 should at least alter the odds in your favor! Doc's tip of the week!
Doc

Make certain your choice of ammunition is designed to mushroom and remain in the target.

 

[plankspanker]

I hear these very intellectual reasonable arguments from educated people. The street smart people will tell you differently I am afraid.

and sometimes the street smart people are basing their information on anecdotal evidence which doesn't make them any more right than the educated people.

A more accurate saying would be that any dog that drug dealers and low life's use for protection or just to be a bad *** (considering the "training" the dogs get for this job) is not going to be kid friendly. If these people are using the same dog because their street smart network tells them that "pit bulls" are vicious and that they have locking jaws and that their brains swell causing them to become crazy thus making them the best dog to guard your coke stash then it is easy to understand why it has the reputation that it has.

I am neither street smart nor educated so don't put much stock into what I say



VVVVVV

Of course street smarts have value but facts are facts. What does google have to do with this?
Street smarts would tell me that the dog guarding the crack house wouldnt make a good baby sitter regardless of what I have read about that breed of dog. Book smarts tells me that that particular dog does not represent the breed.

 

[Cacia]

Don't think the way they are being bred doesn't get into the gene pool. I am suggesting that street smarts has value just as a formal education does and maybe it behoves people not to overintellectualize things like this. This google society is scaring me.

This even applies to diving and people who can/cannot read the environment and process the intangibles out there. If you want to rely on only things you can look up in a book and proven facts, you are missing a lot of information in your environment.

 

[SmileMon]

The pit bull and some other "dangerous" dogs have been outlawed in Israel about a year ago, too many attacks on humans, especially little kids, so the government decided its time to end this, every "dangerous" dog is scheduled to be neutered and the import for them blocked, so they hope the dangerous species will be gone in a few years.

The biggest problem is that a lot of the Israelis who do hold a dangerous dog, treat them like a killer dog and feed them raw meat, bla bla bla, that was the claim.

I wonder if there is a movement to have underground pit bulls now, because we all know if there is a law - there are law-breakers.

 

[H2Andy]

Andy, while you may not be aware of anyone breeding pit bulls to
fight, that doesn't mean is isn't taking place. It is.

sadly, thinking about it, you're probably right

like Lynne said, the more aggressive tempers should be kept out of the breed,
but... alas...

probably the opposite is happening in some cases

When I see "hold the owners accountable for proper
conditioning", I honestly wonder what planet I am on.

who would you hold accountable?

the dog is an animal, with (one hopes) significantly lower IQ than the owner.

the behavior the dog exhibits is a direct result of the training/lack thereof
it has received.

ok... say, worst case scenario... you have a genetically insane dog that
will bite anything that sees, well, it's the owner's duty to cull it and not
allow anyone to be harmed.

got a dog that attacks people in public? it's the owner's responsibility not
to take the dog in public.

etc. etc...

the owner is ultimately responsible for training and controlling the dog's beahvior.

if the owner does not do that, someone will get hurt.

whose fault is it?

 

[H2Andy]

you know, there are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

A breed meant to attack/guard/kill/fight is not an ideal pet. Too many dimwits fail to understand that some breeds were not intended to be pets. And other dimwits think it's cool to name their dog something synonomous with the breed's general disposition.

your comment is a non-sequitur. it does not follow from what i said. if
anything, it supports my statement that these "dimwits" are bad owners,
who do not know their breed. again, no bad dogs, just bad owners.

by the way, could you name me a breed of dog that is not intended to be
a pet?

 

[Walter]

sadly, thinking about it, you're probably right

like Lynne said, the more aggressive tempers should be kept out of the breed,
but... alas...

probably the opposite is happening in some cases

Unfortunately, in many cases. Dog fighting still takes place for the amusement (and financial reward) of people. It's illegal, but then so is cock fighting. They are just both now underground, not eliminated.

Catherine, if you ever have to use that bat, take out the legs.

 

[Cacia]

Rachel, no offense please, but that is really going to be a hard thing to back up if/when you have kids. It means (that you won't leave your child with a dog you did not raise) that you can forget dropping your kids at their friend's house. Well, okay, lets assume you raise your kids like that, now you have a whole different set of problems.

people that google everything before they post instead of developing discerning opinions of their own about life have a huge reality check when they have children.

Andy, your assumption that I need to hold anyone accountable is wrong. I said I don't like the dogs and I avoid people who have them, in most cases. I said I would not leave my little child at someone's house that had one. I look for ways to impact MY world.

There is no requirement that I be "fair" to Pit Bulls.

 

[wreckchick]

Google what? I Googled to look for a statistic I'd heard and found no evidence so I didn't post it with my first post to this thread.

A) I have no kids
B) I was talking about leaving little ones unattended with dogs that I don't know well
C) Whatever.

R

 

[gangrel441]

I wasn't going to bring up the Lab thing, but I've heard that that's the dog breed responsible for the most dog bites in the US. I actually tried to Google it, but there aren't statistics kept on non-fatal dog bites by breed.

Rachel

You're falling into the "sharks are a serious threat" category on this one. If you are talking in sheer numbers, I have heard that stat too. However, take a look at what percentage of dogs in the US are labs or goldens, and look at the percentages of attacks attributed to the breeds. I bet it paints a different picture.

It is certainly important to realize, however that labs are capable of such attacks as well. In fact, when my wife used to volunteer with an animal shelter, she said that the most common animals that came in as bite cases were huskies and german shepards. I don't see either of these breeds popping up on legislation introduced in various states for restrictions on ownership.