Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[Ber Rabbit]

You may have dominated bigger dogs, but sticking something in a Pit's mouth to try to subdue it is a bad idea along with thinking you could choke it. Most of a Pit Bull's strength is in its shoulders, chest, neck and jaws. The dog would have crushed your hand and possibly tore your shoulder from it's socket.
The best way to overpower a Pit, or any dog with significant upper body strength is to firmly grasp its head by the jowls (think deathgrip because that is basically what it comes down to) and use your strength and weight to overpower it. One thing to remember is that Pit's will use their forelegs in a fight, and have plenty of power in their hind legs too.

I would much rather have drop-kicked him but on roller blades that was out of the question even after I stepped into the mud, I'm just not that good on them and I was on an incline. I prefer to choose which body part sustains damage when attacked and I was going to give him the part that was protected by a metal plate to minimize damage from the initial attack.

If it comes down to a 'you or them' situation, regardless of breed, you can dislocate their jaw by forcing your thumbs to the back of their jaw and breaking it right off of the skull. This technique also works (without the breaking of the jaw) to get dogs to let go of something or someone after they have decided they dont want to.

Your description is actually what I mean by choking him. Choking isn't the right word but I wasn't sure what to call it when ramming a forearm into his mouth with my hand on one side, elbow on the other and the metal plate that runs the length of the guard resting against his tonsils. I get on top of him and if he fails to submit immediately I roll my arm and it dislocates his jaw.

Personally when a dog won't let go of something I apply pressure to it's snout (across the bridge of it's nose if you will) with my teeth like a dominant dog would.

(dont know if this was allready asked -- i didnt read all 21 pages) but do you think it was possible that the pitbull was trying to get down and dirty with your dog and not trying to attack it?

Dogs show dominance by mounting (both males and females will mount), when they are humping your leg it's to show you who's the boss. This dog was dominating not trying to mate as certain parts of his anatomy were not in the required state for doing the deed. Katie is an alpha and she snapped and growled at him after the third mount and then he came for me. The owner tackled and sat on him covering his eyes to get him to submit to her, he was still growling but he accepted her dominant position. I didn't stick around to see the rest.
Ber :lilbunny:

 

[Walter]

What's the difference between a pit bull mounting your leg and a poodle doing the same thing?

 

[speedhound]

What's the difference between a pit bull mounting your leg and a poodle doing the same thing?

you let the pitbull finish and light its cigarette afterwards

 

[Walter]

BINGO, we have a BINGO.

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Same drill Northeastwrecks?

"The Drill" is a classic by Dennis Tueller. It has to do with reactionary gap and response time.

I have put POs through the drill. Many assume their response time will be more than adequate even when starting with a holstered firearm. What they fail to realize is that unless they are extremely fast (like Bill Jordan, et.al. fast) and/or the adversary is extremely slow they will lose the confrontation.

Generally speaking action is faster than re-action.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

Same drill Northeastwrecks?

It certainly appears to be the same one. The one that hurt was the one with simunition. Think paintball, but with a much greater muzzle velocity.

The reaction time is absolutely critical, and is why you've got to maintain that 21 foot circle.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

So glad i grew up in Canada... we were taught not to have guns...so yes, as you say "some people can't be taught" but it ain't us....

None of this gun crap... except lately... but thats a border security problem...

I'm also glad that you grew up in Canada. Great country, I enjoy visiting. I'm even supposed to go diving in PEI this summer/fall.

That said, what would you do if you were out walking with a loved one and they were attacked by a vicious dog. The breed is irrelevant. It's a big dog, with big teeth, it's mauling your loved one and you've got a pistol and a clear shot?

Two choices. Bury the dog or bury your loved one. Which do you choose.

Apply the same fact pattern, but substitute a couple of low lifes, and you've got the reason why my wife and I carry. We won't allow ourselves, or our children, to be put in that situation.

 

[Cacia]

yea, just like the Pit Bulls, which I dislike, our American heritage has made us fighters in many ways. I will always reserve the right to defend myself. Not saying if it is good or bad, but we are warriors at heart.


I just watched Cesear the "Dog Whisperer" from LA, this really cool Mexican guy, trying to work with a problem child Pit Bull, on National Geographic channel. he keeps referring to them as gladiators because of their lineage.

 

[Darnold9999]

"The Drill" is a classic by Dennis Tueller. It has to do with reactionary gap and response time.

I have put POs through the drill. Many assume their response time will be more than adequate even when starting with a holstered firearm. What they fail to realize is that unless they are extremely fast (like Bill Jordan, et.al. fast) and/or the adversary is extremely slow they will lose the confrontation.

Generally speaking action is faster than re-action.

This was in the context of an advanced martial arts class - the bad guy has the gun - you can take it away from him, if you feel your life is threatened (otherwise give him your wallet!) Everyone at that level had extremely fast reaction times and attack skills - so we could take the gun away even if the person started with it pointing at us. As I said, made for a very educational (and entertaining) class. The fast reaction times didn't help much with the gun as few had experience with guns (Canada after all) those of us that did were a little bit more successful as the gun holder, but not much. Add the step back and the attacker was toast - every time.

Would have loved to try it with the simunition, we had to simulate and like kids playing cops and robbers trust the gun holder to tell you when they "got ya" or just "winged ya".

Sorry to those who think this is hijacking the thread, but I couldn't resist when people started talking about shooting an attacking dog. Until the dog is stopped i.e. has ahold of you or someone else only the extremely experienced is going to hit it with a gun. You are more likely to hurt an innocent bystander. Of course once the dog has ahold of you then the gun solution works.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

Sorry to those who think this is hijacking the thread, but I couldn't resist when people started talking about shooting an attacking dog. Until the dog is stopped i.e. has ahold of you or someone else only the extremely experienced is going to hit it with a gun. You are more likely to hurt an innocent bystander. Of course once the dog has ahold of you then the gun solution works.

Respectfully, its a hard target, but that's why you practice. And some reaction beats watching your loved one bleed out on the sidewalk while everyone holds hands and sings Give Peace a Chance (not directed at you, btw).