Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[Cacia]

cool of you to acknowledge the nature side and I probably agree with you about nature being more of an influence. you sound like a very reasonable person. See? no problema! We would get along fine and I would pet your dog if he wagged his tail.

 

[KidK9]

On every board, in every hobby that I participate in, this topic comes up. It is amusing to me to read people's opinions. Amusing...because I take a different stance. Everyone's opinion is right. Are they safe? Sometimes. Are they dangerous? Sometimes. Are they viscious? Sometimes. Predictable? Not really (in my opinion). Are they nice? Most times. Bad reputation? Definitely. Deserved? Maybe, maybe not. Are there worse dog breeds? In my opinion, yes...Chows and Shar Peis. Just my opinion. But I'll sit back and watch some more.

 

[Cacia]

hey now, we could have used you earlier. I think we shot all the dogs already.

Let's talk about how wonderful Aussies are. i just love them SO much! Will you be a dog vet? maybe you could support my fundamental nature genetic pool argument....... if you don't agree, keep it to yourself.


OH! and talk about interesting. I hear 20% of the Aussies are born without tails. I know the story about the shepards lopping the tails so they would shoot the wolves and not their dogs...but the genetic selection that would take place for that....don't get it. Have you any knowlege about the genetics of that?

 

[GraemeC]

Glad to hear you and your dog are safe ... I love dogs but like a few people here i hate pitbulls, rotwilers(sp), and the german sheperds(i cant spell)... I agree party that its not the dog its the owner, but some dogs are just naturally bad.. I rember a long time ago when i used to play soccer, after one game i rember seeing a dog fight where the owner could not control his pitbull.. It was a pretty big fight as the other dog fought back, but the pitbull won, when they eventually got it off the other dog he was bleeding badly and had to be taken to the hospital (dont know what happend after that).. but the pitbull wasnt too badly hurt.... oh well... glad to hear you came out of it ok -- pitbulls can be real nasty dogs. (dont know if this was allready asked -- i didnt read all 21 pages) but do you think it was possible that the pitbull was trying to get down and dirty with your dog and not trying to attack it?

 

[Robert Phillips]

Hey Ron, I'll take those odds with that particular dog :biggrin: He was originally on a leash but slipped his prong collar. He was 50-60 pounds and I've dominated bigger dogs in wrestling matches over the years. If it had been a surprise attack I would bet on the dog but technique beats brute strength and I knew the angle of attack and had time to set myself to use his momentum against him plus that particular location was loaded with weapons of opportunity. I would have been more worried if he had not submitted so easily when my dog had enough of his domination antics, it only took one bark/snarl from her to make him give up on her and come after me. I think he was a young dog maybe 2 or so and not fully developed or confident in his ability. He didn't have the heavily muscled body I've seen on other pit bulls but he was well-formed and certainly not malnourished.

Whoever let those girls take that dog out for a walk needs to have their head examined.
Ber :lilbunny:

You may have dominated bigger dogs, but sticking something in a Pit's mouth to try to subdue it is a bad idea along with thinking you could choke it. Most of a Pit Bull's strength is in its shoulders, chest, neck and jaws. The dog would have crushed your hand and possibly tore your shoulder from it's socket.
The best way to overpower a Pit, or any dog with significant upper body strength is to firmly grasp its head by the jowls (think deathgrip because that is basically what it comes down to) and use your strength and weight to overpower it. One thing to remember is that Pit's will use their forelegs in a fight, and have plenty of power in their hind legs too.
If it comes down to a 'you or them' situation, regardless of breed, you can dislocate their jaw by forcing your thumbs to the back of their jaw and breaking it right off of the skull. This technique also works (without the breaking of the jaw) to get dogs to let go of something or someone after they have decided they dont want to.

 

[airsix]

All I can really say is that my dog is not a "vicious" or mean animal and I have to favor the nurture side of this argument a little more than the nature side.

...but Roy said the same thing about the tiger that ate his face.
-Ben M.

 

[ShakaZulu]

...but Roy said the same thing about the tiger that ate his face.
-Ben M.

You can paint a Tiger black, but it's still not a house cat..........and you'd hope the trainers new what they were doing (maybe they weren't assertive enough, haha)?

 

[Northeastwrecks]

wow, you guys are still at this? I have given up on this subject and the smaller subject within this post a long time ago.....I guess there is just no way to get across to people when their minds are set - however wrong it may be - they will never realize or admit their faults.

You're right. We've tried and tried, but you still exist in your little bubble. I guess some people can't be taught.

Just for giggles, what would you do if you were faced with an attacking dog while you are carrying the infant in your avatar?

 

[Mike Veitch]

You're right. We've tried and tried, but you still exist in your little bubble. I guess some people can't be taught.

Just for giggles, what would you do if you were faced with an attacking dog while you are carrying the infant in your avatar?

So glad i grew up in Canada... we were taught not to have guns...so yes, as you say "some people can't be taught" but it ain't us....

None of this gun crap... except lately... but thats a border security problem...

 

[Dive-aholic]

Glad to hear you and your dog are safe ... I love dogs but like a few people here i hate pitbulls, rotwilers(sp), and the german sheperds(i cant spell)... I agree party that its not the dog its the owner, but some dogs are just naturally bad.. I rember a long time ago when i used to play soccer, after one game i rember seeing a dog fight where the owner could not control his pitbull.. It was a pretty big fight as the other dog fought back, but the pitbull won, when they eventually got it off the other dog he was bleeding badly and had to be taken to the hospital (dont know what happend after that).. but the pitbull wasnt too badly hurt.... oh well... glad to hear you came out of it ok -- pitbulls can be real nasty dogs. (dont know if this was allready asked -- i didnt read all 21 pages) but do you think it was possible that the pitbull was trying to get down and dirty with your dog and not trying to attack it?

I've never owned a pitbull, so I can't comment on them. But I have owned Rotweilers, German Shepherds, and Doberman Pinschers (not included in your post, but I'm sure grouped there by some). These dogs have been the kindest, sweetest, most loyal dogs anyone will ever meet. My last Rottie wouldn't hurt anything. My current German Shepherd (130 lbs/59 kg) plays with my 10lb/4.5kg cat. And guess what? The cat is the dominant one! My Dobie is gentle and loving. She can look mean and be vicious, but it's only to protect me and my wife. If someone walks in the house with me - no problems. Walking in the park - no problems. Looks like they are threatening me or my wife - problems! She will attack. But so will my Dalmation and my Weimer, who are both adorable and do not look threatening at all, but come too close in a threatening manner and watch out!

Please don't stereotype breeds. Like people, animals are very individual and have unique personalities. Yes, people do breed animals to be mean. And they train them to be mean. But give me any animal as a puppy, regardless of breeding, and I guarantee the dog will be nothing but loving and kind, and yes protective but only when necessary.