H2Andy
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Northeastwrecks:
what is the usual "untrained" response?
or to put it another way, what mistakes should i avoid?
Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"
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what is the usual "untrained" response?
or to put it another way, what mistakes should i avoid?
Probably the biggest problem is a failure to react quickly enough.
A person within 21 feet of you can get close enough for a physical attack before you can draw, aim and fire a weapon. Therefore, don't let them get within 21 feet. Use verbal commands and back off if it is possible. Regardless, draw your weapon and go to a low ready position (weapon in both hands, pointed toward the ground immediately in front of your aggressor.
Once the weapon is drawn and in low ready, be prepared to come on target and fire while the aggressor is still outside, or just inside, the 21 foot circle. Be prepared to stop the aggressor before he can get close enough to attack you. Practice so that you can do it by muscle memory. Think through your response well in advance, i.e., weeks or months, of the need to employ it (kinda like diving).
Learn to shoot straight. Practice, practice and, when you're tired and bored, practice some more.
Be prepared to render first aid to an aggressor who is no longer a threat.
If you're involved in an incident, the only thing you need to tell the police is that you want to be taken to the hospital. Don't talk to them about the incident until after you've been evaluated, had some time to rest and retained counsel.
A person within 21 feet of you can get close enough for a physical attack before you can draw, aim and fire a weapon. Therefore, don't let them get within 21 feet. Use verbal commands and back off if it is possible. Regardless, draw your weapon and go to a low ready position (weapon in both hands, pointed toward the ground immediately in front of your aggressor.
Once the weapon is drawn and in low ready, be prepared to come on target and fire while the aggressor is still outside, or just inside, the 21 foot circle. Be prepared to stop the aggressor before he can get close enough to attack you. Practice so that you can do it by muscle memory. Think through your response well in advance, i.e., weeks or months, of the need to employ it (kinda like diving).
Learn to shoot straight. Practice, practice and, when you're tired and bored, practice some more.
Be prepared to render first aid to an aggressor who is no longer a threat.
If you're involved in an incident, the only thing you need to tell the police is that you want to be taken to the hospital. Don't talk to them about the incident until after you've been evaluated, had some time to rest and retained counsel.
H2Andy
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thank you, very helpful
You're quite welcome.
It's funny. People, particularly those who have never fired a weapon, have this deluded misconception that carrying a gun somehow turns you into an aggressive person looking for a problem. In fact, the opposite is true. If you fire your weapon, you'd better be able to prove that there was a credible threat of death or severe bodily injury to yourself or a third party, and that you did everything you could to defuse the situation before you fired.
It's funny. People, particularly those who have never fired a weapon, have this deluded misconception that carrying a gun somehow turns you into an aggressive person looking for a problem. In fact, the opposite is true. If you fire your weapon, you'd better be able to prove that there was a credible threat of death or severe bodily injury to yourself or a third party, and that you did everything you could to defuse the situation before you fired.
Darnold9999
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The trained person takes one or two steps back as the bad guy starts to move and waits. The untrained person tries to follow the zigzagging bad guy on the approach. Even if you know its coming unless you take the step back it is extremely hard to track a fast moving opponent that drops taking one or two steps moving one way toward you and then unpredictably changes direction for one or two steps then comes up either under your gun hand with both hands on the barrel or simply chops your hand with a forearm or fist from the side. The step back screws up the timing and gives you time to aim because the bad guy is targeting where you were not where you are and it is tough to compensate for that additional 3 feet or so on the fly. If I get two hands on the barrel I have the leverage to take the gun away from even the strongest person, if I strike it away we now have a fight to retrieve it. Biggest fastest meanest wins. This works from within about 20 feet even if you have already drawn the weapon and are pointing at the agressor, beyond that the success rate goes down.
Blew me away when we tried it. Could not believe it until I tried both positions. Probably couldn't be as successful an agressor anymore - to old and slow, but even still... would probably win more often than not.
Same drill Northeastwrecks?
Blew me away when we tried it. Could not believe it until I tried both positions. Probably couldn't be as successful an agressor anymore - to old and slow, but even still... would probably win more often than not.
Same drill Northeastwrecks?
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Northeastwrecks,
You mentioned the cards clipped to the head, chest of your silouette target....so is your shoot sequence chest, head, chest?
You mean at the range with the target clipped to the pulley thing? Shooting at the moving, approaching target?
Also, in your weapon are you carrying rounds like hollow points that don't penetrate , say, dry wall?
I agree with the philosophy of taking responsibility for your own safety. George Will wrote an excellent peice a few years back on this pychology and certain statisitics supporting a polite "armed society". Wish I had kept it...
I no longer have the need for a weapon since I live in an extremely non-violent place now. Back in Cali, sometimes someone would steal a car, the police would chase someone till they took off on foot. Pretty soon, there would be helicopters with flood lights searching your grounds...it was a nice feeling to lock the doors and get your weapon out in case the guy tried to enter your house. Situations like that, very practical and manageable situations. There would be other situations where i might not even go for it, if caught by surprise as i was never confident about the scuffle scenario, only those where I could lie in wait.
You mentioned the cards clipped to the head, chest of your silouette target....so is your shoot sequence chest, head, chest?
You mean at the range with the target clipped to the pulley thing? Shooting at the moving, approaching target?
Also, in your weapon are you carrying rounds like hollow points that don't penetrate , say, dry wall?
I agree with the philosophy of taking responsibility for your own safety. George Will wrote an excellent peice a few years back on this pychology and certain statisitics supporting a polite "armed society". Wish I had kept it...
I no longer have the need for a weapon since I live in an extremely non-violent place now. Back in Cali, sometimes someone would steal a car, the police would chase someone till they took off on foot. Pretty soon, there would be helicopters with flood lights searching your grounds...it was a nice feeling to lock the doors and get your weapon out in case the guy tried to enter your house. Situations like that, very practical and manageable situations. There would be other situations where i might not even go for it, if caught by surprise as i was never confident about the scuffle scenario, only those where I could lie in wait.
PaulChristenson
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H2Andy:
Make sure you get your BIC pen into your dominant hand...
Tamas
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wow, you guys are still at this? I have given up on this subject and the smaller subject within this post a long time ago.....I guess there is just no way to get across to people when their minds are set - however wrong it may be - they will never realize or admit their faults.
H2Andy
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que es mas macho, pit bull or senor 9mm??
nwarainbw
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admit to owning a " pit bull " yet, so I will chime in. I have a mixed breed American Pit Bull Terrier/Mastif. He was a pound puppy I got when he was 8 weeks old, he is now 9 years. He is protective but once he is told it is ok then for life it is ok, you could meet him once and 5 years later he would let you into my house to rob it. A bit intimidating at first but not a mean bone in his body. Has been around kids his whole life and loves them and is very kind and gentle with them and anything smaller than himself, including his cat that sleeps with him. I have allways been very carefull about not encouraging any aggressive behavior with him, and have allways known that if he developed any kind of serrious aggressive traits I would have to deal with it and have him put down so have been very careful about this. That being said I am a little leary of this breed because of the idiots that are giving them a bad name and would think twice about approaching one if I didnt know it, but that can be said for most breeds. All I can really say is that my dog is not a "vicious" or mean animal and I have to favor the nurture side of this argument a little more than the nature side.
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