Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[Snowbear]

Would YOU survive :11:

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[ThatsSomeBadHatHarry]

Don't forget what Catherine96821 said back there. Would you leave your infant a room with one?

 

[Cacia]

you know the little speech you are going to get Harry......
What's the problem anyway? let the people that think these dogs are marvy be with them....do you care? He was pretty condescending to you, I think you should just drop it. Don't bother if somebody talks to you like that.

 

[ThatsSomeBadHatHarry]

you know the little speech you are going to get Harry......
What's the problem anyway? let the people that think these dogs are marvy be with them....do you care? He was pretty condescending to you, I think you should just drop it.

that's true. good idea.

 

[Ber Rabbit]

I don't immediately care whether the breed that is attacking me ought to behave that way or not, nor whether it was nature or nurture or abuse that caused it to attack me. I am more interested in not allowing it to continue attacking me.

A well-trained and adept marksman ought to be able to end the attack expeditiously.

Unfortunately the people who are best prepared to deal with a situation are usually not the ones who end up in them. I have spent a bit of time over the years wandering into areas where the potential for attack by a human predator was higher than the potential in my usual stomping grounds. I've never been jumped in a dark parking lot or car-jacked or mugged or any of the myriad of bad things that can and do happen in these areas. I've been accused of being in law enforcement on more than one occasion; once by an off-duty officer who insisted "I know a cop when I see one and you're a cop." Nothing I said would convince him otherwise. I've had men cross the street when I approach them in the dark. That's what you hear taught to women in some self defense classes; if you feel threatened by an approaching person cross the street. Evidently these men perceived me as a threat because they would cross back to my side a few yards away. Being prepared for some sort of attack seems to lessen the chance of it happening at least in my little world. Personally, although I was raised with guns and learned to shoot when I was in second grade I'm a lousy shot especially with a handgun--I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a handgun if I was standing inside it. Ohio (where I live) now has a CCW permit process and firearms training is required. I looked up Indiana's (where the bike path is) CCW requirements and all I found was that you have to be 18 and have to give a reason for wanting one but no training is required; Ohio does not recognize Indiana permits because of that. I don't know how current the website data was.


I wasn't happy to see the dog get loose but I was glad the dog came for me instead of someone else like the kid on the bike with training wheels who, the third time I passed him (and his dad) said "Are you just going back and forth?" Why? Because out of the people I had seen on that path I would sustain the least damage had he gotten ahold of me. I used to carry a knife that I could "produce" fairly rapidly if needed and that is going to go back on my person for trips to the bike path. Statistical odds are that I will never have another problem there but I see no reason not to stack the deck in my favor.
Ber :lilbunny:

 

[Supernal]

To all the "gun fetishists" among you, may I remind you that more people are killed annually by guns than by dogs in the last 20 years. Talking about a twisted outlook on the "real problems". Actually, I'd hazard a guess that there are more people killed each month by gun violence in the USA than people killed by dogs in the last 20 years.
I heard today in the radio news that a 3 year old girl in the USA shot her mom in the knee (talking about sensationalistic news. ) She found the hand gun under the sofa cushion. The first time it happened, the mother removed the bullets (Or so she thought) and put it back under the sofa cushion. The second time the 3 year old found it, the mother wasn't that lucky. The police removed 17 hand guns from that home according to the news.
In the situation as Ber described, chances are that you may miss the dog that was speeding toward you, hit one of the girls that was chasing the dog or another innocent bystander and possibly face charges for killing someone later.

Exactly! Most people in Canada don't walk around armed and somehow have managed to survive. We look for modern-day solutions, not frontier ones.

 

[H2Andy]

i read about the "knee shooting" incident. personally, anybody who leaves
guns lying around where a child can get them should be criminally charged
(they are in Florida, btw).

here in jacksonville, a local woman bought a gun. the next day, one of her
children was shot and killed by a sibling who found the gun.
just criminal. people like this shouldn't own guns, much less have children.

BUT ... i am a responsible gun owner. i should not be punished for the actions
of these idiots. my rights should not be taken away just because others can't
use theirs responsibly.

seriously... cars are far more dangerous than guns. and no one is going around
talking about banning cars.

Exactly! Most people in Canada don't walk around armed and somehow have managed to survive. We look for modern-day solutions, not frontier ones.

same is true in the U.S.

90% of all gun deaths in the US are either gang or felony related. in other
words, it's bad guys doing the killing, despite the high press publicity of
"random" crazy shooters.

i taught my sister how to shoot, and bought her her first gun. recently,
she went through Hurricane Kathrina in New Orleans. it was sure
good to know she had that gun.

 

[Cacia]

yea, Andy, here is one we agree on. I resent being lumped together statistically with the guy who has six kids at home alone and his pistol under the sofa cushion. People are always whipping that one out and using it on me. Pretty soon, you are just too tired to argue. Nature sorts people out for a reason, and we are probably better off if those people don't have guns, so don't try and convince them, please. Not because they are unintelligent, but you need to be a practical bottom line person to be a good gun owner. No pontificating wafflers, they are too dangerous with a weapon. It is really only for decisive clear-thinking people, intent on survival and not oversaddled with philisophical hair splitting.

when I saw people getting sent into the superdome (astro?), I said "there is no way I would go in there"...like being ushered into the bowels of hell. I would literally just try and walk out of that city, with my gun fo sure. And to be honest, I think it is in my genetics.

"veritable festival of strokery" ...whose line is that anyway? I thought that was a Doc-ism.

 

[aquaoren]

Catherine, i really don't know what you want. You previously asked whether someone knows about the relation between genetics and aggression, I've provided a statement by a psycho-biologist, who made it to her life mission to research this field, stating that there is no evidence to the popular believe that genetics makes some specific breed vicious. Her statement is based on reviewing all research and knowledge as it is acceptable among scientists now days. You consider it laughable, most likely not even knowing her credentials and what she has achieved in life and her standing in this profession.
You want condescending? Being street smart doesn't mean that you have to be ignorant of the truth. You may of course believe more the uncle of the neighbour of your hairdressers second cousin, it's your prerogative but don't be surprised if you come over as someone who is....how should I say it gently.....not very intelligent (since you used this term yourself )?

 

[aquaoren]

Don't forget what Catherine96821 said back there. Would you leave your infant a room with one?

I would not leave any child unsupervised with any dog. Period. Recommending anything else is irresponsible.
Supervised? I would hesitate less leaving a child with a Pitt Bull than with any Terrier or Shepherd.
While, I respect your professional experience, after more than 10 years being in the profession, 4 years of them in a referral clinic for surgery and have spent thousands in continuing education in the field of behaviour, I think I can allow me an opinion about your statements.
Over 90% of bite wounds I've treated were caused by other dogs than Pitt Bulls. Mixed breed dogs, Sheppards (mostly German), Labs and Coocker Spaniels were the culprits in most cases.
Concerning the Breed Ban Laws. Yes, the politician are pulling those out of their *sses because people are terrified because they saw something on the TV or read it in the newspaper and they think they can score points with them toward the next election. Best example is, as I mentioned, the New Mexico politician who got mauled by his Boxer and 2 Bulldogs. Wouldn't you take a Boxer anyday? I love Boxers, had one as a child, great dogs. My bit my father in the arm while he was playing with me. He thought he had to defend me.
Genetics, huh? Well, my brother is a biologist-geneticist. My wife (A veterinarian as well) does a Residency at the University Of Guelph in the field of small animal reproduction. I think the stand of my knowledge is fairly up to date.