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People have taught that you can manage narcosis too... and we have since seen how foolish that was. I just don't feel that THIS panic is a training issue. There are many who are quick to vilify the agencies and the instructors just because they don't train in the same manner. That's just a specious way of using this incident to further an anti-agency agenda. Why entertain a knee jerk reaction and condemnation of how this person was trained? The lesson here is not about how training could have saved this person: it's about how quickly panic can overtake and kill any diver.TSandM:
Perhaps you can't respond to an instantaneous panic but can you respond to the stressors that may lead to the panic? Absolutely! When a person enters into an uncomfortable situation and their breathing and heartrate begin to elevate, wouldn't you agree that learning to control these (among other things) could actually quell the onset of panic?NetDoc:
Heh, no I am not going to enter the "agency and lack of training" realm so stop trying to pull me into it.NetDoc:
What I am referring to is simply understanding the stressors that may lead to a panic in your life and the ability to recognize and suppress them so they do not lead to a panic. It seems to me that elevated breathing and heartrate (both controllable) are common to a stressful situation. If one could recognize this soon enough before the event spirals out of control then, I am of the belief that the panic can be avoided.
In all fairness, we don't know the accurate details of the incident to be able to refer to it as instantaneous panic. This individual may have had a great deal of anxiety well before entry into the water. This would have been controllable had it been recognized. If the title of the thread is correct and the person were overweighted, this would be another stressor that had not been recognized beforehand (keeping in mind that stressors aren't necessarily physiological but will manifest in a physiological way). Without accurate details, it is difficult, at best, to determine any pre-existing stressors.NetDoc:
freediver:Heh, no I am not going to enter the "agency and lack of training" realm so stop trying to pull me into it.
What you have described is a normal physiological response to entering the water but this isn't necessarily a "negative" stressor. Yes, experience and training can increase one's threshold of panic. Stress is learned through an educative process and I feel that, in the same way, my tolerance to the stressors leading to panic is trainable.Puffer Fish:
I am NOT in control of everything that happens to me in life but I can be in control of how I respond to everything that happens to me.Puffer Fish:
The neat thing is that in many cases if breathing and heartrate are brought under control the other physiological stressors subside.Puffer Fish:
However, if you were trained to anticipate one of these occurring, don't you think you would respond differently?Puffer Fish:
