PADI Rescue Diver question

[sdiver68]

OK, so recommended but not required. Thank you all for your guidance.

Now for my opinion. Honestly, 4 hour classroom session on administering Oxygen? How about an e-course on the theories and 30 minutes of the Rescue Diver class devoted to hands-on practice. We did CPR in about 2 hours.

I am not disputing the value of this knowledge, that's crystal clear to anyone who understands DCI and DAN's research on treatment protocols. Let me sum it up, when in doubt administer Oxygen.

 

[jar546]

You need hands on with the tanks so you don't fumble in a real emergency and not know how to operate the equipment

 

[Dirty-Dog]

The idea of a 4-hour class on how to administer O2 is just silly.

If you can operate SCUBA gear, you can operate an O2 cylinder. And I really doubt that there's anybody here who couldn't figure out how and where to apply the mask.

 

[jar546]

The idea of a 4-hour class on how to administer O2 is just silly.

If you can operate SCUBA gear, you can operate an O2 cylinder. And I really doubt that there's anybody here who couldn't figure out how and where to apply the mask.

I have personally witnessed nurses in nursing homes do it wrong dozens of times and almost kill patients.

Nothing like placing a non-rebreather on a patient in heart failure with pulmonary edema and having the flow rate set to 4lpm when there is a collapsed reservoir bag.

Although very simple, it can be used in the wrong way. I have also witnessed emergency responders in a true emergency fumble with the equipment and be unable to use the wrench needed to turn the cylinder on during a cylinder change.

Some students may take 4 hours and some may take 45 minutes but classes can only go as fast as the slowest learner if you want the students to understand what they are doing.

 

[oly5050user]

My understanding is that PADI sets minimum prerequisites and standards and dive shops and instructors are free to require more (but not less). Personally, I appreciate a dive shop that takes diving seriously enough to risk losing customers to shops that train divers to minimum standards.

require more for certification and it is a violation of standards.

 

[Dirty-Dog]

I have personally witnessed nurses in nursing homes do it wrong dozens of times and almost kill patients.

Nothing like placing a non-rebreather on a patient in heart failure with pulmonary edema and having the flow rate set to 4lpm when there is a collapsed reservoir bag.

Although very simple, it can be used in the wrong way. I have also witnessed emergency responders in a true emergency fumble with the equipment and be unable to use the wrench needed to turn the cylinder on during a cylinder change.

Some students may take 4 hours and some may take 45 minutes but classes can only go as fast as the slowest learner if you want the students to understand what they are doing.

My point. Thank you.

You can't fix stupid. Not in 4 hours. Not in 400 hours.

 

[mmerriman]

My understanding is that PADI sets minimum prerequisites and standards and dive shops and instructors are free to require more (but not less). Personally, I appreciate a dive shop that takes diving seriously enough to risk losing customers to shops that train divers to minimum standards.

that is NOT correct - they cannot require more for certification.

 

[Rogersea]

The idea of a 4-hour class on how to administer O2 is just silly.

If you can operate SCUBA gear, you can operate an O2 cylinder. And I really doubt that there's anybody here who couldn't figure out how and where to apply the mask.

The Instructors Manual recommends 2 to 3 hours, The American Red Cross Course is 2.5 hours, so they are about the same. The PADI O2 course was designed as a stand alone course and there is no pre-requisite to enroll.

Like I mentioned in a previous post I recently taught the course and the material is presented in a clear concise manner in the book and Instructor Manual. Teaching it to a diver that has taken CPR/FA makes the course move along rather swiftly, but if the person has never been exposed to any of those things it could take the whole 3hours.....


4 hours might be realistic if there are 8 participants and only one Oxygen Kit and they have not already read the book. ((

Cheers,
Roger

 

[Dirty-Dog]

The Instructors Manual recommends 2 to 3 hours, The American Red Cross Course is 2.5 hours, so they are about the same. The PADI O2 course was designed as a stand alone course and there is no pre-requisite to enroll.

Like I mentioned in a previous post I recently taught the course and the material is presented in a clear concise manner in the book and Instructor Manual. Teaching it to a diver that has taken CPR/FA makes the course move along rather swiftly, but if the person has never been exposed to any of those things it could take the whole 3hours.....


4 hours might be realistic if there are 8 participants and only one Oxygen Kit and they have not already read the book. ((

Cheers,
Roger

A couple of years ago, I was asked to be a guest lecturer on pulmonary disorders at a local university. The class was 4th year nursing students. Early on, I said something about the effect the disease I was talking about would have on ABG results. I saw the Deer in the Headlights look on many faces, so I commented that they must not have covered ABG interpretation yet. The reply was that they'd spent the last 3 days on it. I took 5 minutes from my planned lecture and taught them how to interpret ABGs. ABGs are not complicated.
Neither is O2 administration.

It's not uncommon for people who make their living writing textbooks to make simple things seem more difficult than they really are. That's how they justify their paychecks.

Open this valve. Turn this knob to this number. Put the mask on their face.
It really IS that simple.

 

[Jim Lapenta]

I teach O2 administration as part of the DRAM (formerly YMCA SLAM course). O2 admin is not that difficult and does not require more than a half hour or so during the rescue class. Before there was a class for laymen thru the Red Cross or PADI or DAN even existed the YMCA was teaching divers how to administer O2 in diving accidents. Some states require an O2 cert to refill your O2 cylinder. In at least 1 of those I know personally the YMCA SLAM cert and now SEI DRAM certs qualify.