PADI rescue course

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ps: panicked divers are a pain, but they go unconscious easily. When they do, they are much easier to deal with.

It's good to be programmer and reuse others components as well as scenarios.

Dealing with panicking diver scenario:
Stop, Think, give left hook into the jaw.
Now you can reuse scenario "dealing with unconscious diver"

Tired diver scenario:
Stop, Think, Ask him to put the reg in the mouth and close the valve.
Now you have to reuse scenario "Dealing with panicking diver"

Variation:
Stop, Think, Ask him to put the reg in the mouth and close the valve and deflate the BCD.
Wait 2 minutes. Now you have to reuse scenario "Surfacing unconscious diver from the bottom"

Is not reusing powerful thing ?

:shakehead:
 
Had an army combat medic show me a trick in my rescue pool session. not sure padi approves it but it sure worked.!! when instructor goes postal on you, push back, go under water, and let him calm down, remember, it's training and a pool. then come up and grab his foot and twist like hell. he will turn so fast his head will spend. then lock knees around his tank and do what you were trained to do. he will say, what the hell was that!! just smile and say nothing.

have fun

I did something similar. When my instructor jumped on top of me I submerged to the point my chest was at her knees. I grabbed her knees, spun her around and climbed up her tank. As she turned around I just stayed with the tank and therefore stayed behind her.

Only difference between what I did and what you are describing was (a) used the knees rather than the foot and (b) was a little more gentle about it.

She actually complimented me on the move. Reality was, I tried to swim behind her but she kept turning so I grabbed her knees out of frustration. :)
 
Gets lots of rest. Stay hydrated. Maybe not in the pool but definitely open water, expect the unexpected.

Best class I ever took. IMO, this should be a minimum level divers should strive towards.

This is good advice, even for the pool. By the end of the day at the pool I was a little dehydrated. Buddy was totally dehydrated and had a bad headache.

Additionally, when doing the open water, you will be floating on the surface as a victim a lot and on the surface towing victims a lot. Make sure to apply sunscreen between rescues. My ears and nose were totally burnt first day of rescues.
 
Guys forget about any twisting the legs ankles etc. Some people have injures and have surgeries done. Those injures heal forever and can be reintroduced easily. Legs are very weak in twisting directions and what you are suggesting is a very very BAD move. You might injure the person really bad.
 
The pool portion of the Rescue class is going to help lay the ground work for what you will be doing on the Open Water dives.

Couple tips:

1. Learn the concept of the skill in the pool. For example, a search pattern in a pool is trivial since the water is clear, but make sure you are doing the actual pattern correctly.

2. We removing gear from yourself or the victim, do one thing at a time. Don't try to undo the low snap, and the velcro, and the shoulder staps, and push the tank away all at once. Breath, low snap, breath, velcro, breath, shoulder, breath, shoulder, breath, push the gear, breath, clear the gear, breath, etc.

3. Remember you breathe on 5 not start moving into position on 5. I found that I move into position on 3 to be able to breathe on 5. This goes back to #2, that you only have 2 seconds to really do something between breaths.

4. Grab a watch or clock, and actually get your pattern down for a 5 second count. Many students actaully warp time and make a five second count last three seconds.

5. I demonstrate the surfacing skill three times. I reposition the victim each time to the students get a different view of the technique each time. When I first started teaching rescue, I found that the blocked view items were actaully important.

6. If you get to play an aggressive, panic diver, don't hurt the other person, but be agressive. Aim for the shoulders instead of the face.
 
I did something similar. When my instructor jumped on top of me I submerged to the point my chest was at her knees. I grabbed her knees, spun her around and climbed up her tank. As she turned around I just stayed with the tank and therefore stayed behind her.

Only difference between what I did and what you are describing was (a) used the knees rather than the foot and (b) was a little more gentle about it.

She actually complimented me on the move. Reality was, I tried to swim behind her but she kept turning so I grabbed her knees out of frustration. :)


Scubadiver888,

I apologize to all for saying "twist like hell". We do not want to hurt someone in training, (especially our beloved instructors). I was trying to be funny. Its just a technique and it works. File it away and if you ever need to use it, hope it works for you and the person you are trying to save.:D
 
When practicing a skill (note skill, not situation simulation, this is early stuff) on the surface, talk through the skill out loud. It clarifies the process & the steps that need to be taken. The instructor(s) can also hear your thought process and correct any weaknesses because they know what you are or are going to do. Counting out loud also reminds you when to give rescue breaths & allows the others to verify whether it is 5 seconds between breaths.

BTW, trust the training. When things hit the fan, it works...

Have a great class.
 
Thanks everyone!! I'm going to be taking this course too. :D
This being the precursor to DM I feel it is very important to
get this right, so to speak. Obviously all scenarios will be
different but the training is the most important part. By
making it as real to life as possible, it makes it the best
way to learn. I hope I get caught off guard, that being
the best type of learning experience for me....;)
 
Now why didn't I think of the ankle twisting bit during my class? :)
Thinking it through though, assuming both rescuer and victim are not fixed to any object (wall, reef, impaling spike etc), twisting shouldn't result in much significant forces since there's no reaction force holding the victim in place you need to overcome (see Newton's 3rd law). Furthermore, the twisting is not in an absolute direction but just relative to each other - either the rescuer ends up moving around the victim or vice versa, probably a combination of both, depending on the mass of each person.
However/ I should think if using the ankles, its probably safest to grab above the ankle joint rather than the foot since the ankle joint is not meant to take much rotation force but the leg per se can be twisted with somewhat greater force without causing injury
Just my 2c :)
 
However/ I should think if using the ankles, its probably safest to grab above the ankle joint rather than the foot since the ankle joint is not meant to take much rotation force but the leg per se can be twisted with somewhat greater force without causing injury
Just my 2c :)

You can damage the knee.
 

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