PADI/NAUI Issues with DIR Techniques?

[BCS]

Sir... I need for you to stand up slowly and move away from the keyboard... please keep your hands where I can see them... nope... put the coffee down..

... sometimes I think people forget to emphasize that this whole thing is about fun, relaxed, efficient diving!

SCREW THAT CRAP, BOB!!! THIS IS WAR!!! YOU *$#@#...
(just kidding Bob)
ya know, you're 100% right about that and after 20 years of doing this stuff, I really never would have guessed back then that there would be all of this ego fed bs that permeates the community.
C---c--c--c--ant' we all j-j--j-just g-gg-get along??

b.

 

[wb416]

SCREW THAT CRAP, BOB!!! THIS IS WAR!!! YOU *$#@#...
(just kidding Bob)
ya know, you're 100% right about that and after 20 years of doing this stuff, I really never would have guessed back then that there would be all of this ego fed bs that permeates the community.
C---c--c--c--ant' we all j-j--j-just g-gg-get along??

b.

Whew!!!!

Man... ya had me goin' for a minute there Rodney...

 

[fishoutawater]

Do any of you have any pics of a properly rigged DIR diver, some links about it maybe?
Recommendations for equipment?
What little I've read on DIR makes a lot of sense. Want more.

 

[BCS]

Do any of you have any pics of a properly rigged DIR diver, some links about it maybe?
Recommendations for equipment?
What little I've read on DIR makes a lot of sense. Want more.

Look at the GUE website. www.gue.com
There's a bit on my website too...www.scubaguys.com
Always happy to answer questions.

brando

 

[rjchandler]

On the question of snagging long hoses -- they can create some interesting problems when practicing the "pull the injurerd diver to shore over the shallow weedbed" skill in rescue class.

 

[fishoutawater]

Thanks Brando

 

[Otter]

Hi Otter,
There really is no "gap" between open water & DIRF. DIRF is what all OW students should have had in thier beginning class. Fundamentals is exactly that...."fundamentals". ...snip...

Brando,
Sorry for the late reply, I have been out of touch for a bit....

The genesis of my question was comments here and other boards that GUE would be offering an Open Water Course in the near future. Unless they are just renaming the class, there must a difference between the two....that difference being 'the gap'.

I generally agree with all of your comments in above abbreviated post. I don't consider DIR-F for tech only neither do I believe a HOG setup is for tech only. Lastly, I too would like to see less polarization of diving by the non-DIR and DIR communities.

Craig

 

[BCS]

Brando,
Sorry for the late reply, I have been out of touch for a bit....

The genesis of my question was comments here and other boards that GUE would be offering an Open Water Course in the near future. Unless they are just renaming the class, there must a difference between the two....that difference being 'the gap'.

I generally agree with all of your comments in above abbreviated post. I don't consider DIR-F for tech only neither do I believe a HOG setup is for tech only. Lastly, I too would like to see less polarization of diving by the non-DIR and DIR communities.
Craig

I could see where the O/W course could be something far exceeding PADI/NAUI/SSI O/W. Maybe on Dive 10, doubles are introduced. This would seem to fill the gap between O/W and DIR-F (where doubles are expected).

Hi Craig,
No worries. I completely forgot about the thread to tell you the truth. :11:
I see.... you are speaking about a Gap between the GUE "Open Water Course" and GUE's DIRF....not necessarily a gap between the open water cert'd diver and the material in the DIRF. Speaking entirely as someone only familiar w/GUE and thier philosophy of education, and not as someone who has seen thier upcoming OW course (I haven't seen it), I can say very confidently that I believe that they would not allow (by standards) any new diver to get into twins at all during this course...nor would they recommend the diver to get into them any time soon after thier course.
Just to maybe help clear any confusion, (and what seems to be a very common mispercetion)...we don't expect or even promote twins in the DIRF.
For the DIRF it is true that many prospective students desire to enter the Cave or Tech curricullums at GUE, so in that case I advise that they do come into the course w/twins. This is not mandatory but is recommended if they intend to enter those curricullums.The instructors do wear them (due to convenience and due to the fact that we want to be able to address both single and dual tank material and can do so in twins, but not as well in a single). But students are very welcome to wear singles and wetsuits or drysuits and would still learn a ton in the course. We dive the same way no matter what equipment we have on....the course teaches this "technique" and mindset and is equally applicable to twins or single tank diving.
I can understand your point of view regarding "Hog" rig for tech only, but I would respectfully disagree given what I have witnessed in my experience. I have taught and dived both methods (recreational "jacket" and BP). I beleive I should teach the same way that I dive (I think folks are paying me for my 20 years experience in many environments....and not just for a c-card) and I just don't believe the current popular rig is the "best" way to dive.
This is all only MHO, and I recognize and respect folk's right to have a differing opinion.

Best Regards & Safe Diving!
brando

 

[Otter]

Hi Craig,
No worries. I completely forgot about the thread to tell you the truth. :11:
I see.... you are speaking about a Gap between the GUE "Open Water Course" and GUE's DIRF....not necessarily a gap between the open water cert'd diver and the material in the DIRF. Speaking entirely as someone only familiar w/GUE and thier philosophy of education, and not as someone who has seen thier upcoming OW course (I haven't seen it), I can say very confidently that I believe that they would not allow (by standards) any new diver to get into twins at all during this course...nor would they recommend the diver to get into them any time soon after thier course.
Just to maybe help clear any confusion, (and what seems to be a very common mispercetion)...we don't expect or even promote twins in the DIRF.
For the DIRF it is true that many prospective students desire to enter the Cave or Tech curricullums at GUE, so in that case I advise that they do come into the course w/twins. This is not mandatory but is recommended if they intend to enter those curricullums.The instructors do wear them (due to convenience and due to the fact that we want to be able to address both single and dual tank material and can do so in twins, but not as well in a single). But students are very welcome to wear singles and wetsuits or drysuits and would still learn a ton in the course. We dive the same way no matter what equipment we have on....the course teaches this "technique" and mindset and is equally applicable to twins or single tank diving.

I am not sure where this discussion went awry, but based upon your earlier post "...There really is no "gap" between open water & DIRF. DIRF is what all OW students should have had in thier beginning class." I was simply trying to understand what would be in the GUE O/W class that was not already in DIRF -- a thought was the introduction of twins/doubles. Perhaps GUE O/W includes DIRF and DIRF remains a standalone class for divers already certified....just trying to get an idea.

I can understand your point of view regarding "Hog" rig for tech only, but I would respectfully disagree given what I have witnessed in my experience. I have taught and dived both methods (recreational "jacket" and BP). ...

I am guessing you misread my post as I was saying that I didn't believe a BP/W was for tech only...lor maybe I am not understanding where we are in disagreement?

Craig

 

[cornfed]

Perhaps GUE O/W includes DIRF and DIRF remains a standalone class for divers already certified....just trying to get an idea.

There was some discussion about this on Quest a while back. The impression I got was that DIRF would essentially become a crossover class. But then again... what do I know...