PADI BS or not?

[kadleck]

I have never been asked to tear out the review pages. Though when I submitted the photocopies, I was reminded that the books are copyright. As has been said previously, this is a misunderstanding of copyright law. If you're copying material you own, for purposes such as handing in answers to questions, news reporting, etc., this is classed as fair use. It is similar to making copies of CDs you own to play the copies in your car, or as media backup.

This (UK) site puts fair use in a nutshell: http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

 

[ZenDiver.3D]

Back when I took my padi OW, the instructor went over our knowledge reviews and then said she had to have them, tear them out. I was stupid and did as she asked. Then I asked for a copy of My knowledge reviews and answers, and they refused. Said it was not legal or allowed. What BS. It took a real argument and unpleasant scene to get my knowledge reviews back.
Some instructors don't read all of their standards well.....
If it sounds odd or stupid, check into it. go to padi online and ask them. Then print out the email and show the instructor..... Proof usually works.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

We have copied all our Knowledge Reviews and turned them in, I too hate to tear out pages of books. There might be a problem with copyright laws, but I really doubt it.

 

[jviehe]

I think its funny that people actually have a problem with this because they really expect to at some point go back and read their knowledge reviews to refresh their memories. I would love nothing more than for students to actually go back and reread the book when they forget something. As we all know, it rarely happens. What PADI is trying to prevent is selling your book to someone else with the KRs already filled out, or even blank. As we all know, this frequently happens.

 

[STSC-1209]

Do you think teaching diving just might be a business? I'm sure he is making money or at least I hope so and if he is maybe he'll still be around next year. You don't like it go to another instructor

 

[oreocookie]

When I did my OW class in august, my instructor told us midway through our 6 week class that on the last session, he needed a copy of the KRs, photocopies, torn out, he didn't care as long as he had them. I photocopied mine cause I don't like ripping books apart and as far as I'm concerned, if the book gets destroyed, it's going to be by getting wet.

As for this old rule, my thought is this: padi only gets money off of students through course material and c-cards, right? So they want everybody to buy their own book so they can't cheat on the KRs, which means they actually have to read the book, which means they are now much less likely to fail the quizzes and final exam, meaning the student is more likely to get certified and put more money in padi's pocket. Now, if you were to get a used book from somewhere and cheated and failed everything because you cheated, padi gets no money at all... but then again, who's lazy enough to cheat on KRs anyway? Putting your gear together for the first pool session takes more time and effort than most of the KRs. yup, dumb rule

 

[oly5050user]

There appears to be mistake on the part of the instructor, please feel free to contact PADI quality assurance (QA) with ALL the details, who, what, where, when ect. The e-mail address is QA@Padi.com, I would also request replacement books.

From the PADI 4th quarter 2005 training bulletin for instructors et cetera:

"4. Knowledge Reviews for each Knowledge Development section signed by the student

(You must either retain the student diver's completed and signed Knowledge Reviews or document in the student's training record that you have reviewed the student's completed Knowledge reviews. The Student Record File may be used for the purpose"

Note: Student divers can submit to you photocopies of their completed Knowledge Reviews if the prefer to retain the original in their manuals as a reference and study tool. You and your student are not authorized to photocopy blank Knowledge Reviews."

students can submit photocopied COMPLETED kr's..you cannot photocopy BLANK pages and distribute those to be completed..We have on our website KR's for the student to complete -submit -and are returned to student corrected,way before PADI started online learning..They can then print those out at home and hand in during class.I do not go over the online KR's in class as it is corrected by computer when they submit them and get them back on line.I DO go over the one in text book before they do the quiz so information is fresh and they keep completed KR's in their books.Questions accessed online almost the same as in text,but answered in different form(answer 'a'-'b''c')instead of writing in sentence for answers.Instructor must retain printed out KR's in student folder with student signing their name it on it as proof of understanding material in event of any possible future problems.

 

[Mitchell]

In the instructors manual it reads.

4. Knowledge Reviews for each Knowledge Development section signed by the
student. (You must either retain the student diver’s completed and
signed Knowledge Review or document in the student’s training
record that you have reviewed the student’s completed Knowledge
Reviews. The Student Record File may be used for this purpose.)

 

[jviehe]

In the instructors manual it reads.

4. Knowledge Reviews for each Knowledge Development section signed by the
student. (You must either retain the student diver’s completed and
signed Knowledge Review or document in the student’s training
record that you have reviewed the student’s completed Knowledge
Reviews. The Student Record File may be used for this purpose.)

Yep, I dont collect anything. I verify they signed the KR.

 

[Dive-aholic]

As for this old rule, my thought is this: padi only gets money off of students through course material and c-cards, right? So they want everybody to buy their own book so they can't cheat on the KRs, which means they actually have to read the book, which means they are now much less likely to fail the quizzes and final exam, meaning the student is more likely to get certified and put more money in padi's pocket. Now, if you were to get a used book from somewhere and cheated and failed everything because you cheated, padi gets no money at all... but then again, who's lazy enough to cheat on KRs anyway? Putting your gear together for the first pool session takes more time and effort than most of the KRs. yup, dumb rule

Not quite. While course materials do probably constitute a fair amount of their revenue, that revenue as well as PIC fees isn't the main source. Instructors also have to pay annual fees (almost $200 last year), PADI dive shops have to pay annual fees (the higher your rating the more you pay, it would have cost me a couple of grand to become a PADI retailer...oh, per year...), etc, etc. I'd guess the bulk of the revenue comes from these last 2 areas.