OOA question. Who is teaching to give your main unit?

[trixiegirl1970]

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hbrother:

You don't think stabbing someone that is OOA is an overly harsh response?

 

[Wayward Son]

my LDS is a NAUI shop, pretty old school. They teach buddy breathing off the same primary reg, and they teach handing off the primary for air sharing as they also teach switching to a Scubapro Air2 to the donor.

 

[Wayward Son]

they do not teach stabbing a diver in an OOA emergency.

 

[D_B]

Sad to think that there are people that would actually turn away someone that needed air

 

[InTheDrink]

Sad to think that there are people that would actually turn away someone that needed air

My father once made a very salient point to me. He said:

'Son, the Lord must love a**holes, otherwise why would he have created so many of them?'

Hopefully neither you nor I will come across their ilk in the water. Good riddance I say. Assuming the guy is not a troll, this is one of the few posts that really has my bile up.

As another poster mentioned, Karma has a wonderful way of teaching lessons. I hope he learns from this thread that for what he considers normal human behaviour the vast majority consider deviant/immoral.

J

 

[Sas]

I am curious why people other than psychocabbage would not share air (i.e. Ana + anyone else I might have missed here). I know his reasoning isn't based on anything I feel is rational so I am interested to hear if other people have more 'rational' reasons for not doing so. I think the only scenario in which I would not share gas is if my own life was in danger by doing so. And it would have to be *very* much in danger. I plan my dives based on calculating the minimum gas requirement I need for both me and my buddy so there are very few scenarios where I think my life would be put in such a danger where I could not share gas.

A. they are in a blind panic and starting to threaten me physically. My first response would be to get them air asap to help them calm down though. I do not like my chances against anyone in a panic if I decide to refuse them air, even if they were much physically weaker than I. I'm 5'10'' and used to weigh about 55kg so was as thin as a rake and was attacked by two guys a lot bigger and stronger than me once, one grabbed me from behind around my neck and one dived at me and grabbed my legs so a difficult position to struggle against. However, I fought off both in a fury. Adreneline does amazing things to ones's physical strength.

B. We'd both stuffed up our gas plans and I didn't have enough to get both of us to the surface. Even then I think my first reaction would be to share gas until I ran out and then CESA. However, there are a lot of variables that would come into play here and I might not react how I imagine under that situation. My intention would be to do this though.

C. Our equipment fails simulateously or near to so I have no choice in the matter. I'd probably be just trying to get myself out of a situation like that, rather than worrying about my buddy too.

A is the most likely, C very unlikely. And B I really fail to see happening, one of us might stuff up but the two of us I think is unlikely (based on past experience anyway). There might be other things I have missed but those are the first that jump to mind.

 

[Wayward Son]

Ana will have to speak for herself, but my impression is that she is largely a solo diver. Doesn't expect help, doesn't plan to provide it.

I'm Ok with that, knowing it up front. lets me know that I'm essentially solo & not to expect help. it's finding that out during the crunch that sucks.

 

[Tigerman]

Im also largely a solo diver and dont plan on giving or expect being given help. That however does not make me plan not to help anyone if they happened to be where I am and if they happened to need help.
Be warned, I will NOT stab you in the face if you need to borrow some air!

 

[Puffer Fish]

Diving classes, teach a lot of skill and technical information, but they also attempt to addresss the very reality that if an emergency happens, divers have a moral responsibility to assist.

This point seems to get missed by a few people, but there is a reason for teaching how to use an octo or the old buddy breathing.

It would be easier to not even address the issue.

Suppose in an OW class, the student refused to do any exersize that involved any form of assisting anyone else, and refused to answer any question regarding the same on any tests?

And, because there is no one there they care for, they remove the octo/Air2 from their gear...as they would have no reason to use it.

Do they get their card? I know what I would do in that situation.

The odd part of all this, is you have people posting on a social dive board, about how anti-social they are. If someone can explain that logic, would like to hear it.

Just for the record, I strongly believe we have a social and moral responsibility to our fellow divers (even one's I don't like).