On no island like Bonaire

[pilot fish]

There goes the flutes and fairy dust again Vince, you have a totally unrealistic view of what is going on in Bonaire. How can you not be concerned about people's rented condos being broken into, as reported on this board, and all thier valuables stolen, sometimes as people slept in the other room, as reported on this board?:shocked2: Doesn't that scare you, or make you feel sorry for those poor tourists, that had thier vacation runied?

PF..It's obvious to me that there are many things that you are not aware of about Bonaire.

Everyone on this board knows of my involvement on Bonaire, it's stated on every posting I make. They really don't need you to state it like you know some secret fact. I don't try to hide it. What everyone does NOT know is WHY you carry this personal vendetta against the beautiful island of Bonaire. That is something, you have never come clean about no matter how many times numerous folks have asked.

Additionally, your statements about my views and me personally can very well be construed as being libelous. I would admonish you to be cautious on future postings. Freedom of speech and views is fine, however when the line of impinging my personal character is crossed, rest assured you are in dangerous territory.
I trust you will be guided accordingly.

 

[pilot fish]

I'm guessing it would not take the kids long to put the squease on the tourists for more money, to the point, they would want more money than the stuff they were supposed to be guarding cost

Paying children to watch your vehicle on Bonaire - hmmmm...


Reminds me of the old NYC windshield washer scam.

I remember the guy who really raked it it. He used to wear a half a cinder block brick around his neck on a chain, you should have seen the look of horror at the Mercedes, Lexus or BMW drivers who looked up at the light to see this guy approaching their car with that cinder block swaying back and forth dangling around his neck just inches over their expensive paint jobs, as he prepared to lean over the car to clean their windshield.

His best customers were the ones who paid him not to wash their windows, would hand him a couple of bucks and smile and say, here, just keep it, don't worry about the windshield, as he would take the money and step back away from their car.

I don't think the guy even bothered to keep anything in his spray bottle after awhile.

Nice thoughts-- to teach the youngsters of Bonaire the protection racket at such a young age. You'll turn them all into little entrepreneurs.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

Paying children to watch your vehicle on Bonaire - hmmmm...


Reminds me of the old NYC windshield washer scam.

I remember the guy who really raked it it. He used to wear a half a cinder block brick around his neck on a chain, you should have seen the look of horror at the Mercedes, Lexus or BMW drivers who looked up at the light to see this guy approaching their car with that cinder block swaying back and forth dangling around his neck just inches over their expensive paint jobs, as he prepared to lean over the car to clean their windshield.

His best customers were the ones who paid him not to wash their windows, would hand him a couple of bucks and smile and say, here, just keep it, don't worry about the windshield, as he would take the money and step back away from their car.

I don't think the guy even bothered to keep anything in his spray bottle after awhile.

Nice thoughts-- to teach the youngsters of Bonaire the protection racket at such a young age. You'll turn them all into little entrepreneurs.

Ya know.... You have people on this thread who admit there is crime on Bonaire. Some of those people attempt to put it into perspective with personal experiences and personal knowledge from their time on Bonaire.

Some people on this this thread who admit there is crime on Bonaire have offered suggestions to further lesson vacationers possibility of becoming a victim of crime

Some people on this thread have compared the US Gov. stances on comparative islands to give a better perspective of crime on Bonaire vs. other islands... and around the world.

Some people on this thread make posts so far out of perspective they don't even make sense.

I hope everyone who reads this post can place themselves into one of the above types.

I know that this and other Bonaire threads have "pushed away" the people who could be answering questions asked by potential visitors because they are "biased" by actually having the gall to live or own a business there.

I see now that there can be no real discussion because anyone who could be a part of any real discussion keeps being insulted and accused of "bias", or has to put up with posts that have absolutely nothing to do with anything that "is, has been or will be" discussed in a Bonaire thread... Comparing the hiring of a guide on Bonaire to someone homeless in the US and waving a cinder block around their neck... Unless it can be shown that this person was a guide on Bonaire... I certainly don't see that as over the top...

 

[Mike]

I see now that there can be no real discussion because anyone who could be a part of any real discussion keeps being insulted and accused of "bias", or has to put up with posts that have absolutely nothing to do with anything that "is, has been or will be" discussed in a Bonaire thread... Comparing the hiring of a guide on Bonaire to someone homeless in the US and waving a cinder block around their neck... Unless it can be shown that this person was a guide on Bonaire... I certainly don't see that as over the top...

Wow, I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to post something so over your head and create such confusion for you.

Let me break it down in simple terms - I can't get it any more simple than this --

The person at the dive site you are paying for protection...l. You're paying him to protect you from himself.

In the USA that principal is called extortion.

The cinder block guy... exact same thing. Exact same principle.

Get it?

Let me know if you still don't understand. I might be able to get my 7 year old nephew to explain it.

 

[Cave Diver]

You are paying a Bonaire resident to protect your belongings from himself.

So every Bonaire resident is a thief and it's impossible to find one honest person to work as some sort of security guard?

Paying a kid, teenager or adult on Bonaire to protect you from crime at a dive site is paying him to not rob you.

Once again, every person is dishonest and a thief?

Bonaire has a crime problem disproportionate statistically. You can try over and over again to pretend it doesn't but that won't change that it does, nor will it change what gets replied when you try to white wash it.

Please provide these statistics and the source for them. Thanks.

 

[pilot fish]

So every Bonaire resident is a thief and it's impossible to find one honest person to work as some sort of security guard?

That is NOT what he said , or even suggested. He's referrring to the reports that YOU fellows have suggested, that divers hire school kids to protect dive gear, individuals you have also suggested might be the petty criminals. That leaves open how to protect from condo break ins. hire thugs?

Once again, every person is dishonest and a thief?

Again, he, nor anyone else, said that.

Please provide these statistics and the source for them. Thanks.

Do you realize that Bonaire keeps very secret thier crime stats?

 

[Mossman]

Do you realize that Bonaire keeps very secret thier crime stats?

Yes, very secret. Please don't tell anyone where you found the following:

Statistical Info: Justice and Security

 

[pdive]

Yes, very secret. Please don't tell anyone where you found the following:

Statistical Info: Justice and Security

Its good to see they've nipped their "Offences against morality" problem in the bud.

 

[Cave Diver]

That is NOT what he said , or even suggested. He's referrring to the reports that YOU fellows have suggested, that divers hire school kids to protect dive gear, individuals you have also suggested might be the petty criminals. That leaves open how to protect from condo break ins. hire thugs?

Nope, that is what he said. Read my quotes again, specifically the red. It appears that the original post was edited, after I quoted it. I didn't make those words up. Also, I'm not "you fellows." I haven't suggested anything of the sort. What I have done is challenge some of these claims, which I have yet to see anyone refute with some sort of solid evidence. How about you go back through my posts and address the real questions I've asked?

You are paying a Bonaire resident to protect your belongings from himself.

So every Bonaire resident is a thief and it's impossible to find one honest person to work as some sort of security guard?

Paying a kid, teenager or adult on Bonaire to protect you from crime at a dive site is paying him to not rob you.

Once again, every person is dishonest and a thief?

Bonaire has a crime problem disproportionate statistically. You can try over and over again to pretend it doesn't but that won't change that it does, nor will it change what gets replied when you try to white wash it.

Please provide these statistics and the source for them. Thanks.

Do you realize that Bonaire keeps very secret thier crime stats?

So if these stats are so super secret, how come several of you keep throwing them up as *proof* of how bad things are? If no one knows the true numbers, how do you know crime is any worse on Bonaire than anywhere else.

 

[Mike]

So every Bonaire resident is a thief and it's impossible to find one honest person to work as some sort of security guard?

Once again, every person is dishonest and a thief?

Please provide these statistics and the source for them. Thanks.

I PM'd my nephew, he will be along to explain it.

Or you could just not read more into what was said and you wouldn't have confused yourself.

I wish you'd stop bashing Bonaire. I don't think it's right to put that kind of dis-information out there saying that every Bonaire resident is a thief. Don't think that is fair. But you are welcome to your opinion.

As for the crime being disproportionate. That's been gone over ad nauseum. But if you think all the reported incidents and all the long lists of safety and security precautions are normal for a community of less then 15,000 residents where everybody knows everybody, nothing can happen without somebody knowing who did it, and you're on a island surround by the sea which is basically a contained market place for the stolen goods...

... well like I said, you're welcome to your opinion. Many small towns in the USA of under 15,000 residents it's not uncommon for people to not lock their homes, let alone their vehicles, not worry about wall safes being broken into, having their homes broken into while they are asleep, being drugged if they wake up, etc... etc... etc...

Good luck keeping that hypothesis alive that Bonaire is known for being a very crime free island. So safe you can leave your wet suit outside at night, so safe you can leave valuables in your car at a dive site and nobody will bother them. Good luck with that, I think you're down to about 6 people on the planet who still believe it.

You guys are funnier and funnier about all this. You're so incensed about the truth that you're now pretending Bonaire is the safest place on earth.