octo air 2,,,good way or bad way

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An Air 2 works fine in some situations, but not well in others.

Thae advantages are:

1. It's easy to find since you use it all the time for inflation - your hand knows exactly where to go when you need it real bad.
2. It stays flushed and reay to use since you use it all the time for bouyancy control, unlike regular octos that tend to get filled with mud, sand, vegetation, etc.
3. It requires one less hose and can in some cases help streamlining a bit.
4. It requires you donate your primary which is a good idea anyway, since in the real world an OOA diver is more likely to steal your primary than use your octo.
5. It works very well with a longer 5 ft hose primary for recreational divers.

The disadvantages are:

1. Having to listen to divers who have never used one in any situation whine about it and tell you, incorrectly, that it is not a good idea in any situation.
2. Anchoring the Air 2 to the short corrogated hose limits the lenght you have to work with and limits head movement.
3. You can resolve #2 to some extent with a longer corrogated hose on your BC or wing, but that can then cause a potential dangly with the longer hose.
4. You have to donate your primary and some instructors are really really stuck in the old "donate your octo" philosophy. These are the same instructoprs who have no clue why a long hose primary is a good idea.

An Air 2 works well for recreational divers where the plan is to immediately surface in the event someone n OOA, particularly in conjunction with a 5 ft primary. The advantage of being easy to find is similar to the advantage of using a bungeed octo, but in most cases an Air 2 is cleaner with no looping hose sticking out and nothing around your neck to clutter things up and in my )probably non politically correct and controversial) opinion, an Air 2 works better than a bungeed octo for a recreational diver.

An Air 2 works very well for a solo diver and in partiucular with independent doubles where it offers an alternate second stage for one of your tanks with no need for an extra hose in a situation where you already have a second stage from each tank.

An Air 2 is not a good idea for a technical diver who may need to swim for a substantial period of time with an OOA buddy sucking on the long hose until an acent can be made. The limited head movement can be a real liability as can the limited perfomance of the Air 2 at depths greater than about 130-150 ft.
 
markfm:
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(What really does work fine for rec use doesn't cut it for demonstrating, where you want to be using the "norm" for outfitting, and a standard alternate air source is still the norm.)
If the other setup is better for deminstrating why would it not be good for normal use. I would think in a real world enviroment you would want to easier of the two. So when someones life is in danger you would recomend the one that sucks??

BTW bungy backup os the way to to , away with the Air2's
 
i cant see anything wrong with the sp air2, the tusa, zeagle, apeks etc similar devices. my only con is, dont use it for tech diving, the breathing resistance at abou 130ft is already a bommer. as for rescue course, if you have a halfway experienced instr he will know what you have and not frown on it. air2's are quite commonplace this days. as for the dm course, you should do what youre comfy with keep it or replace it with "normal octopus". i teach rec courses for over 10 yrs using an air2 and dont have problems to demo with it. you just need to make it part of your skill briefing. i actually think its to the benefit of the student also to get introduced to different systems / setups, i have seen too many "cert" divers that are thrown off the track if they ever see anything else then the (admittingly working, but not most elegant solution) of the "standard" octopus setup. also the bungeed second is a great solution (i use it for tech diving and teaching. as said above, the panicky diver tends to go for what he sees working, thats more often than not the reg in your mouth! both the air2 as the bungee way support that, let him have it and you switch to your backup.
 
LSDeep:
i cant see anything wrong with the sp air2, the tusa, zeagle, apeks etc similar devices. my only con is, dont use it for tech diving, the breathing resistance at abou 130ft is already a bommer. as for rescue course, if you have a halfway experienced instr he will know what you have and not frown on it. air2's are quite commonplace this days. as for the dm course, you should do what youre comfy with keep it or replace it with "normal octopus". i teach rec courses for over 10 yrs using an air2 and dont have problems to demo with it. you just need to make it part of your skill briefing. i actually think its to the benefit of the student also to get introduced to different systems / setups, i have seen too many "cert" divers that are thrown off the track if they ever see anything else then the (admittingly working, but not most elegant solution) of the "standard" octopus setup. also the bungeed second is a great solution (i use it for tech diving and teaching. as said above, the panicky diver tends to go for what he sees working, thats more often than not the reg in your mouth! both the air2 as the bungee way support that, let him have it and you switch to your backup.
Like I said I see alot of the scubapro air-2's on ebay for around 40 bucks. Should this model fit my ZeagleEscape?? My instr last weekend did not have a octo setup but also had a Air2. Not sure which brand but it made me think about getting one to cut down on hoses and to be more streamline
 
terrasmak:
If the other setup is better for demonstrating why would it not be good for normal use. I would think in a real world enviroment you would want to easier of the two. So when someones life is in danger you would recomend the one that sucks??

ROFLMAO

That concept is totally lost a lot of folks/Instructors :D

Too funny man.
 
laserdoc:
Like I said I see alot of the scubapro air-2's on ebay for around 40 bucks. Should this model fit my ZeagleEscape?? My instr last weekend did not have a octo setup but also had a Air2. Not sure which brand but it made me think about getting one to cut down on hoses and to be more streamline
yes it will fit. no problem, sure you can change it yourself just need a couple tiestraps.
 
just keep in mind you need the lp hose with it, the connector is bigger than standard size or get an adapter you can screw into a standard lp hose.
 
Make sure the unit comes with the LP inflator hose or expect to pay another $35-$40.00 for the hose. The Scubapro hoses are not compatible with other brands.
 
Can I breath on it like a regular regulator. In other words can I exhale through it on a ascent or do I have to remove it from my mouth to exhale??
Thanks for everyones imput.
Dave
 
laserdoc:
Can I breath on it like a regular regulator. In other words can I exhale through it on a ascent or do I have to remove it from my mouth to exhale??
Thanks for everyones imput.
Dave

Yes, but this was the reason I got rid of my air2. Doing a practice ooa ascent, I was breathing from the air2, buddy on my primary. I had a ***** of a time trying to dump air from the bc while ascending. It basically turned into a speedy ascent with my buddy slowing me down. I'm sure with more practice I could have gotten used to it. It was just my buddy was really tight next to me and we were verticle in the water. Trying to use the shoulder pull dump while breathing off that hose isnt comfortable. Then I dived with some guys with the bungy/long hose setup. After one practice ooa, I was sold! I was the ooa diver and on a 7' hose it was just way more comfortable. Plus I prefer the backup at my chin. So recently got rid of the air2.
My advice - keep the bungied backup and instead of the air2 get a 5' or 7' long hose to go with that setup.
 
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