Not understanding the long hose thing

[RJP]

I am sorry that I disagree with the hard sell on DIR for sport diving, I do not believe that the long hose is necessarily a better concept for most open water sport diving. Yes it works, is it better than other methods for open water sport diving

"All lies and jests...still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

I think you're 180deg out of phase here...

No "DIR" people in this thread are saying that everyone MUST dive a long hose in all environments (though DIR folks choose to). Rather they are responding to the continually-proffered, vociferously-conveyed, yet wholly-unfounded suggestion that a long-hose is specifically and dangerously INAPPROPRIATE in some environments. (ie: relatively shallow, recreational open-water dives.)

 

[fishoutawater]

But I do encourage you to resist the temptation to lump long hoses in with the more technical gear.

:cool2: As far as lumping things into tech, I guess I'm just an old fart. I still consider octos and bc's as "tech gear".

 

[Reg Braithwaite]

:cool2: As far as lumping things into tech, I guess I'm just an old fart. I still consider octos and bc's as "tech gear".

You may have a point. AFAIC, this is non-technical diving: YouTube - William Trubridge freedives THE ARCH at Blue Hole, Dahab

p.s. What is the magic incantation for embedding a youtube video in a SB post?

 

[RJP]

p.s. What is the magic incantation for embedding a youtube video in a SB post?

Click "Quote" to see:

 

[MaxBottomtime]

You may have a point. AFAIC, this is non-technical diving: YouTube - William Trubridge freedives THE ARCH at Blue Hole, Dahab

p.s. What is the magic incantation for embedding a youtube video in a SB post?

Brackets around the letters yt followed by the embed code, then brackets around /yt

 

[ScubaInChicago]

p.s. What is the magic incantation for embedding a youtube video in a SB post?

and a link to embed or tweak anything else you would like on SB

ScubaBoard - BB Code List

 

[pittyyofool]

my votes go mostly with Nemrod. While all that stuff has a place and use, it is not for a tropic vacation dive. I have dove HOG set ups and do so in wrecks, but if I am not penetrating anything the costs far out weigh the benefits! all that weight and extra crap, what a hassle. while all you guys are on the boat mounting BC's and finding your octo or routing all your hoses and and playing with snaps; arguing which is better. I will be swimming after the tank I just threw overboard.

and yes that is a three wolf moon T-shirt

 

[Reg Braithwaite]

While all that stuff has a place and use, it is not for a tropic vacation dive.

Actually, I'm eating multi-grain nachos with salsa, but close enough.

 

[RJP]

I have dove HOG set ups and do so in wrecks, but if I am not penetrating anything the costs far out weigh the benefits! all that weight and extra crap, what a hassle.

That's another frequently posited argument that I just don't get:

"all that weight" - from a buoyancy standpoint you need the same overall weighting to dive - whether that weight is comprised of gear or lead is immaterial - so there is no "extra" weight. If you mean "luggage weight" that's still an empty argument because the typical DIR/hog rig needn't weigh any more than a traditional recreational kit.

"extra crap, what a hassle" - I have one first stage reg with a 7' primary hose and a 24" alternate hose. I dive this one configuration wherever I dive. Apparently you either have four different hoses that you switch on/off a single reg, or you have two complete sets of regs and multiple sets of similar hoses that you mix and match to comprise a separate hog rig and a recreational rig. Either way, you have "more crap" and a "greater hassle" than I do. Additionally, your associated costs are therefore greater than mine.

:shocked2:

 

[StreetDoctor]

That's another frequently posited argument that I just don't get:

"all that weight" - from a buoyancy standpoint you need the same overall weighting to dive - whether that weight is comprised of gear or lead is immaterial - so there is no "extra" weight. If you mean "luggage weight" that's still an empty argument because the typical DIR/hog rig needn't weigh any more than a traditional recreational kit.

"extra crap, what a hassle" - I have one first stage reg with a 7' primary hose and a 24" alternate hose. I dive this one configuration wherever I dive. Apparently you either have four different hoses that you switch on/off a single reg, or you have two complete sets of regs and multiple sets of similar hoses that you mix and match to comprise a separate hog rig and a recreational rig. Either way, you have "more crap" and a "greater hassle" than I do. Additionally, your associated costs are therefore greater than mine.

:shocked2:

At least I'm not the only one that doesn't get it. I dove bonaire with a SS plate/26lb wing, regulator with 7' long hose (w/o a can light OMG) and 22" backup, and bottom timer. I fail to see where all the "hassle" is. No weight belt, bulky BC, etc. Not only that I packed all my gear into my carry-on. I did a few dives without a wetsuit and with nothing attached to me except for some 2" webbing it almost felt like I wasn't in scuba gear