Nitrox VIP Sticker not good enough?

[chrpai]

Hey Painter,

If you are so concerned why not dream up a seperate sticker that says air only ;-).. You could have red & blue for air, green and yellow for nitrox and then gray and black [ I think that's the color they use] for trimix.. Look at it this way, now they can sell 3 stickers instead of one ;-)

BTW, I have no clue what Genesis uses and I don't care. I use duct tape and it works quite well..

Your consistency to never miss an opportunity to see the big picture is astounding..

Later

Actually your the person who never misses. Even MikeF saw the problem that I pointed out there.

 

[Genesis]

Right...and out of the 1% of the population, how many are going to build an analyzer. You're kidding right? We are better off using the sticker. LOL

Buy it, build it, your choice. Sheesh - its a frapping voltmeter and a fuel cell for crying out loud!

You're right. Many shops don't analyze "air" tanks. Now days all tanks should probably be analyzed especially with people willing to put nitrox in tanks that aren't marked for them.

You just fixed it so no one needs to buy the dumb sticker but instead needs an analyzer. Way to byte your nose off to spite your face. LOL

Not.

First, I don't need the analyzer. The shop does. If I trust them not to pump oil into my tank I might trust them to analyze an AIR tank (maybe - I like it better if they either do it in front of me or I do it though.) And they do need one irrespective of what they pump, unless they're prepared to dump every tank that comes back in from rental.

It only takes ONCE to kill someone. One time that some guy rents a tank, takes it home, decants some O2 into it, intends to take it to a remote dive location and have it "topped off" (without telling anyone of course.)

Then the dive is called before he gets there and he hands the tank back in without remembering what he did.

Now the shop has a literal CNS bomb sitting there, which they unknowingly top off and hand to an unsuspecting diver, and neither of them is the wiser because nobody bothered to check.

Can't happen? Oh yes it can!

Someone takes that "CNS bomb" to the bottom of a quarry at 120' and.....

If you're going to play the "no sticker = air" game then you have to implement the controls to insure that nothing other than air is in the tank. This means that (1) you cannot pump anything other than air - no nitrox on facility at all - and (2) you must DUMP all tanks that come back in from rental, irrespective of what someone tells you or how much pressure is in them, in order to INSURE that the only gas in there is the gas YOU put in there.

Without that level of control you're fooling yourself if you are sure that there's only air in that scuba tank.

(BTW, I use "painters tape". It stays on plenty fine and is easy to write on with a nice sharpie marker, but doesn't leave sticky crap all over my tank when I pull it off.)

 

[bwerb]

Chris, I'm just wondering if it is possible for you to ever engage in debate without resorting to insults, mis-directs and creative descriptors...just a hope I have for the new year. If your message is sometimes lost, perhaps it's time to look at the way in which it is being conveyed.

Minor hijack alert...where/who are all these people who keep grabbing tanks with stuff other than air in them and hooking them up? I mean seriously...if you are diving a set of doubles with DIN valves, hooked up to your backplate...who is this mystery diver on the boat who suddenly finds himself deconstructing your doubles to "grab a tank". Who are these guys grabbing AL40 deco bottles and hooking them up while not knowing they are not supposted to use them? Where are these boats in which the "rental tanks" are not more or less obvious...I have never been on a boat in which "my" tanks were not very clearly assigned to me. Who are the people requiring argon bottles to be labled "argon"...I know the whole "you can't breathe it" thing but seriously...when has someone inadvertantly strolled along and grabbed a random "inflator bottle" with a DIN valve and tried to hook it up as a pony or something? I just find some of these supposed scenarios beyond probable.

If a shop is unsure about the contents of a tank prior to filling...analyze it. If it's my own tank and the rest of the stickers are up-to-date and the anylyzer has indicated what's in my tank...what's the big deal...I just can't see BillyBob Knownothing somehow finding my tank attached to his regs?

 

[DeepScuba]

Genesis:

"Oh, then you get the wonderful shops that won't put air in a Nitrox-banded tank, and look at you funny when you tell them "ok, then fill it with EANx21"

Don't you know it brother!!! We even have just a couple left up here. I think they use that line as a last resort when they REALLY wanna pi$$ you off!

!!**#&^#^!!

MHK: Can I rent that line off of you?

Oh yes, and I WILL go on record.........if GUE EVER gets an OW course that others will recognize like PADI etc, it will be THE BEST OW course by a landslide.

Coming from a non GUE person no less.

Shoot, I think I'd take a run at that Instructors course. It would be worth it!

 

[Don Burke]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day ;-)

One that runs backwards is right four times a day.

 

[DeepScuba]

Damn MHK!!!

Did you GUE guys steal that duct tape thing from me?

I said I used it here first!!! It's mine mine mine,.....

Even my marker is DIR!!!!!

Beyond that, I'm buying mt own portable fill station. Screw that, you guys are scaring the crap out of me.

Now I can fill my tanks and never worry about visuals!!!!

hehheheh

I hate ripping apart doubles. Can't ya just gimme a sticker man? They're good, trust me.

BWERB: My point 30 posts ago!

 

[MHK]

Genesis:

"MHK: Can I rent that line off of you?

Oh yes, and I WILL go on record.........if GUE EVER gets an OW course that others will recognize like PADI etc, it will be THE BEST OW course by a landslide.

Coming from a non GUE person no less.

Shoot, I think I'd take a run at that Instructors course. It would be worth it!

Feel free to use it any time you want ;-)

As for the GUE OW class, several of us have been using what will essentially be the GUE OW class for over a year now. The beta testing period is done and I suspect JJ will announce a release date soon. As I understand it GUE HQ is scheduled to run their first OW instructor program March of this year. I'm not a 100% sure that the dates are firm so I suspect we should wait for JJ to give the final release, but I'm confident it'll be relatively soon..

Later

 

[DeepScuba]

Mmmmmm, can I still wear a computer if I wanna?

But seriously, what would the instructor cross-over be like???

Heheheh, I can see you smiling from here buddy!

If this means I gotta suck-up REAL BAD to Dan and TomR at NTD..........well OK. But crap, Tom's gonna enjoy this WAY TOO MUCH for my liking!

Shoot, I new there was a reason I shouldn't be a prick to TomR!! Darn it all. Damn my humour! Damn :-(

 

[MHK]

Mmmmmm, can I still wear a computer if I wanna?

But seriously, what would the instructor cross-over be like???

Heheheh, I can see you smiling from here buddy!

If this means I gotta suck-up REAL BAD to Dan and TomR at NTD..........well OK. But crap, Tom's gonna enjoy this WAY TOO MUCH for my liking!

Shoot, I new there was a reason I shouldn't be a prick to TomR!! Darn it all. Damn my humour! Damn :-(

Actually, Dan is in San Diego with AG as we speak and I'll be with him on Friday - Sunday so I'll let him know to warm up ;-)

I'm going to resist the temptation to piecemeal any information about the GUE OW program, and allow JJ the courtesy of releasing it under his own schedule when he feels it's appropriate. Suffice it to say, we believe strongly that it is an awesome program..

Later

 

[pt40fathoms]

"Of course, the issue we haven't discussed in how in the world the untrained diver gets his mitts on one's gear without the owner knowing about it."

I think I posted about that already Az.

It's simple:

- Crowded dive site.
- over 30 students
- Gear strewn out all over the place, all on nice blue tarps.
- Most of the gear is rental from the shop.
- Students have no idea what tank belongs to whom, nor is it a concern, as all tanks from the shop are all laid out in a neat row. The only difference is "these are empty, these are full".
- Private owned tanks are often mixed in because Instructors, DM's and students all have their tanks filled and refilled from the same source. The only difference with the Nitrox Divers and or Nitrox students is the hyper filter used when filling or refilling, and THE BIG BAND THAT SAYS NITROX!!!!!!!

Can you all see how a little sticker stating contents is entirely useless in a real world setting? Sure if there are only 4 people on a boat, or the dive location is remote and not well used by divers. I can see how some people may think that a properly labeled tank is not required. But in the settings I have seen, worked in, and just described. An improperly labeled mixed gas tank could be fatal. Proper labeling for Nitrox means that big yellow and green band surrounding the tank. Anything less is worthless!