Night Dive Buddy Separation - What would you do?

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MEL-DC Diver:
Thanks for your input, Guys. I really appreciate the feedback.

Some items for me to think about going forward:

- being the middle diver, as opposed to staying back and high
- perhaps avoiding the situation altogether with a new diver by not adding a third
- not necessarily being so liberal in who is the dive leader. Determine a specific leader.
- emphasizing light signals.

I think I have captured all of you comments. Again, thanks for all of the constructive input.

MDD

When diving with a trio, I also like to assume an over the top and slightly behind position. What I like to do is to have one partner lead the group for about 1/2 the dive (maybe 1/3 air) and then on my signal, the other leads. I enjoy the dive more when I can see both divers at the same time. When I am the leader, I'm always looking back to see if everyone is still there. This takes the fun out of the dive for me.

I can see how the newer divers lose track of each other. I've seen it happen before, especially when the team is working on an objective such as a search or when lobstering. In addition, new divers place too much reliance on the 'experienced diver' to keep them safe and tend to be caught up in the moment without paying attention to their surroundings.

Although some will disagree, I think three is a crowd, especially when one or more are doing a new dive situation. Night diving isn't dangerous, but it can be an additional factor in disorientation to anyone not accustomed to it.

Plan the dive - Dive the plan.

Stan
 
serambin:
When diving with a trio, I also like to assume an over the top and slightly behind position.
You really have to be kidding! This is the worst spot for a buddy to be. To look back and up requires the divers ahead and below to do contortions to see you. It's not as bad during a night dive, where he may not bother ever looking at you as long as he can see your light, but it's definitely a strange choice of positions.

My preference for doing transits in a 3 diver group is one in the lead, with the other two behind and more or less abreast of each other. When moving slowly and looking at things, the relative positions aren't that important, but each diver needs to keep both of the others in sight.
 
Charlie99:
You really have to be kidding! This is the worst spot for a buddy to be.
Thats because he isn't buddy diving. He's babysitting.
 
I agree with much of what has been said. One other thing to consider.... I've found that if a person is diving with a Light Cannon or similar light they may not see you signalling them with your light. Non-HID light can get lost in the beam of the HID light.

Paula
 
Maybe you can also think about using an audible signalling device. I always have one on my inflator. I hardly use it though as one time I was diving with this guy who blasted it every 30 seconds. Since then I never use it unless it is something spectacluar or unique.

In this example you could have blasted it as soon as they started swimming away from each other.
 
Charlie99:
You really have to be kidding! This is the worst spot for a buddy to be. To look back and up requires the divers ahead and below to do contortions to see you. It's not as bad during a night dive, where he may not bother ever looking at you as long as he can see your light, but it's definitely a strange choice of positions.

My preference for doing transits in a 3 diver group is one in the lead, with the other two behind and more or less abreast of each other. When moving slowly and looking at things, the relative positions aren't that important, but each diver needs to keep both of the others in sight.

OK, sometimes I do kid, but not now. Here is why. I can see both divers and watch for a problem. If I'm leading and one drops out of formation, I'm the last to know. If I'm in the back tier of your trio, I have to watch my wingman for problems.

I like to be slightly above, so that if a rototiller event occurs, I can see the other divers.

And, yes I'm babysitting. The thing is, if you feel good about your position and it improves your ability to react to a problem, I can't see how it is wrong.

Stan
 
serambin:
The thing is, if you feel good about your position and it improves your ability to react to a problem, I can see how it is wrong.
Its good for you, not so good for the other divers. Which leads directly to who you are looking out for.
 
Just curious, I must've missed it, but did you ever find out why they both took off at full speed in opposite directions?

You did good.



MEL-DC Diver:
First, a little background…

My family and I just recently moved back from Australia to Washington, DC (I seem to mention this in most of my posts. I must miss it). My wife, sensing my pain at having to trade great ocean wreck diving for fresh water quarry diving, decided to sign me up for a liveaboard dive trip in the Bahamas as a surprise. To add to the surprise, she signed my father up for the trip as well. One problem – he wasn’t certified. Anyway, we got him sorted out and certified about a month out and then proceeded to do four additional dives as well to identify any problem areas before our trip. We found a couple (the usual suspects – buoyancy and air consumption), but overall a conscientious and safety-minded diver. We both were quite satisfied that we were able work well as a buddy team, and had our communication and dive planning sorted out. I have to say it was quite strange to be providing input and guidance to the old man, but it ended up working out great.

The trip: Diving from the boat in beautiful conditions, we were having a great time. Half-way through the 2nd day a single diver on the boat approached us and asked if he could dive with us as the guy he was diving with had no trouble at all pissing off and leaving him. Fair enough. We’ll give it a go for a dive and see how we do. As my Dad and I had already determined our plan, I briefed him on it and he agreed. We did the dive and it was a success. Our three-man buddy team had worked out just fine.

The problem: Later on in the trip we had a night-dive to 50ft. It was my Dad’s first night dive and as such, I made sure I went over all of plan in laborious detail with our group. Outside of the normal speech, I stressed light signaling and proximity to each other. Conditions were good, visibility good, but it was still a night dive. I structured the dive so that my dad and our new addition would be side by side, and between them they would work out what to look at, heading changes, etc. I would be slightly above and slightly behind in order to better observe and keep a tab on things.

Twenty minutes into the dive and everything was going according to plan. My Dad and our new buddy stopped, compared SPGs and gave each other the big OK. Perfect. Everything is going well, I thought as I moved up to check their air myself… But just at that moment, they split into completely opposite directions – at full speed. At that moment I was stumped – and furious. What do I do? My head was going left and going right as I tried to figure out how to get the group back together, all the while those two were getting further away from each other and from me. I had to go after someone, but whom? Blood won out (note to single divers, blood always wins out). I sprinted full speed and grabbed my Dad. Told him stay where he was and hold his light straight out as a beacon. Then did another full sprint to our other diver, grabbed him, and we swam back toward my Dad’s light. That I found our new buddy was pure luck. His tank beacon wasn’t visible and I managed to just get a glimpse of his dive light that I was able to home in on. That exercise cost me about 1000psi and was nerve-wracking and exhausting. We all were able to make a normal ascent up the mooring line at which time they told me that they each thought that they had an agreed upon direction, problem was that no one communicated that direction to me.

In the end I realized that I wasn’t scared for myself, but for them. My dad was a new diver and I had no idea to how he would react if he found himself alone on a night dive, and I had little idea of how our new dive buddy would react in the same spot. So I guess my question is, what would you guys do in the same situation that I was in, or how would you avoid it in the first place? To me, it is a further indication of how a simple miscommunication can throw everything into chaos and create a dangerous situation for all involved.
 
Best to avoid threesomes. Our whole safety system is based on buddy pairs.

Of course, sometimes they are unavoidable.

When you have 3 divers, one has to be clearly appointed as the leader. The other two follow. Especially in low visibility and night dives. There are signals to change the leadership role during a dive if you want to give everyone a turn at leading.

And remember, in many 3 diver configurations, one diver is effectively diving alone alongside a buddy pair. That one diver must know that he is not going to be monitored very often by the other two.

If I had been that 3rd diver, joining a father and son team, I would have assumed the "tagging along" role and kept within sight of the others. If you were going to dive with him again during that trip, I would have politely mentioned that, if he heads off in his own direction again, he has decided to switch to solo diving mode.

Regards
Peter
 
1. I like to dive alone
2. If I'm not alone I dive with 1 buddy
3. Everything else is leading a group of divers which I divided to buddy pairs. In this case I just watch over them and regroup them when they start to wander too much - but I don't call this diving, it's WORK!

For night dives there is no threesoms or leading anyone! Only solo or buddy pairs, each taking care of themselves. No groups and no obligation on my part!

good job anyhow
 

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