lionfish in Cozumel

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I've been killing them for a couple years now. Even have my own homemade sling waiting to be used over and over again on Coz. I could care less that some divers have an issue with me killing them on my dives. Whenever I have done my duty on them, not once did I come close to injuring another diver. Managed to get a little hit from one on my index finger, three hours of some kinda sore then poof, pain gone. Weird sting. Had bee stings that felt worse though.
Also snapper love to eat them. After feeding the carcass to one it followed me for the rest of my dive. It was hilarious. Just like a hungry dog. Stayed within arms length of me and whenever I looked under ledges I swear it was waging its' tail when I came out. Too funny.
I have talked to lots of Dms that wont kill them for their own reasons and thats fine. The majority will dispatch them. Some are ok with their well known divers killing them as long as they are really experienced. But the common thing is, not responsible for your actions underwater. I know I have just invited a real blast but I'm down with that. Most dont know how I dive or how experienced I am and thats' fine. The people that I dive with trust me, that's all that matters, I also trust them. For one thing they know I'm a solo diver so I take all responsibility for my actions, from diving to hunting. And I do a lot of hunting on Coz.
On every dive I have been on at Cozumel in the last couple years I have had my eyes trained to spot lionfish. Just like spotting the life on the reef. After a while the creatures pop because your eyes are trained for the difference not the camoflague. Like most that dive with great dive masters anywhere that love to show off their prowess at finding critters I followed them and watched for what they where looking at before they found whatever they where looking for. Eventually I caught on to some of their little 'island' spotting secrets. Too much fun. It's easy to spot the big stuff, it's the macro that I love finding. Like pipe horse for instance.
These things are all spotted during dives that I have dedicated to finding at least one lionfish to kill. For me I dont need a divemaster to make my dive succesful. But I certainly can appreciate those that want their dm to spot creatures and lead the dive. I think it would be a good thing during the dive briefing, so there are no hard feelings, to tell the dm whether or not one is ok with him/her doing any lionfish hunting on their dive. Nothing wrong with that.
Oh one other thing, when we fed the snapper the dead lionfish we wondered if it would hurt it. The snapper stayed with me for the rest of the dive and that was for at least 45mins. Later we would have the same type of experience. Once we fed a green moray, we waited for 10 mins near its' den to see if there would be a reaction. There was none at that time. This is by far not a means of saying that the poison from the lionfish wont hurt the creatures we fed, I'm saying the ones we fed didnt seem to get affected at that time. And I know first hand the poison will transfer after death of the pez leon.
To the ones that are going to flame the crap out of me, I talked to the authorities about what I was doing and I was told, in my words now, just be careful. They know my experience with hunting and expressed that they would prefer divers not do it, but did not say I would be prosecuted in any way for killing a lionfish in the park.
By the way, the official word is that dms are the only ones that have authority to dispatch the lionfish. Which by the way is a good idea. People may think that the lionfish are slow moving fish as they appear that way. They are lightning fast when attacked. They can dart so fast a diver would not know what hit him, so be warned about getting too close to them.
kevin
 
I like your thinking here Don. The BBQ fork would make an effective spear and it could double as a cooking implement if you decide to eat what you spear. Now we just need an appropriate sheath and some good Texas BBQ sauce.
Well I have Cutco utensils so while I say BBQ fork, it's actually the #27, #1027, or #1727 Carving fork with bowling ball handle that should last in saltwater much better than a wooden one...
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Drill a hole in the end, mount a camera wrist strap, long enough to avoid the spines - I think a good tool for this job.

Here is one that ends in 12 hours Cutco carving meat fork #27 - eBay (item 230467563336 end time May-04-10 11:50:53 PDT) not selling at $7 including shipping as it is old style, but would work. I'm looking at some combos instead. The newer Turning fork has 3 points but is not as long; the actual BBQ for is 19.5" long, a bit much I think.

Firstdive's experiences are enlightening, and it's especially interesting that the other predators did not seem to have an adverse reaction to eating the Lions. As it is now, their instincts don't see the feathery looking things as food, but it would be nice to train them, hopefully learning from each other.
 
I swear it was waging its' tail when I came out.
:rofl3:

People may think that the lionfish are slow moving fish as they appear that way. They are lightning fast when attacked. They can dart so fast a diver would not know what hit him, so be warned about getting too close to them.
You can get pretty close to them, easily within a half meter, and I have a ton of close-up photographs to prove it. I'm not a spearfisherman, but I'd imagine even the worst of them are pretty reliable from that range. With a knife or a BBQ fork? Maybe not.;)
 
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As you approach them on coral, they will just wave their dorsal spines at you. I used my light to prod one out in the Exumas once so I could get a swimming pic. Their top speed involves sucking water thru their gills to suck in prey, I think, altho they may have some good evasive speed anyway. Mostly their instincts are no fear so I'd think you could close on them ok.

But then I have no killed one; FirstDive has.
 
To the ones that are going to flame the crap out of me, I talked to the authorities about what I was doing and I was told, in my words now, just be careful. They know my experience with hunting and expressed that they would prefer divers not do it, but did not say I would be prosecuted in any way for killing a lionfish in the park.
By the way, the official word is that dms are the only ones that have authority to dispatch the lionfish. Which by the way is a good idea.
kevin

I was ready to flame away but if you talked with the park authorities and they said it was okay by them then that is all that matters. I do have to wonder though if that's not setting a bad precedent as far as divers adhering to all of the other park regs.
 
We also have the permission from the Park. We went through a half day seminar (in Spanish) about the park plus the approved way to capture and killl the LF. PADI needs to come up with a lion fish hunter merit badge
 
How did you get the park authorities to make an exception for you Kevin? Are you allowed to wear gloves while you are hunting Lion Fish in the park?? I am sure that there are lots of divers that would like to join in on the hunt, more information would be very helpful!
 
I was ready to flame away but if you talked with the park authorities and they said it was okay by them then that is all that matters. I do have to wonder though if that's not setting a bad precedent as far as divers adhering to all of the other park regs.
I agree, I had an issue with putting it out there for this very reason. I hope I wrote enough so that divers would realize the danger. And it is dangerous. They look so seductive at first spotting, you just want to get up close to see how pretty they are. Wow they dont even move really, except to turn around and give you the butt shot. O thats so they can sting better, I see.
And also no other creatures are EVER taken, that's for the north end only.

Hi Don! Your fork idea is best left to landside. It's not really the type of tool for this job. For one thing it's way too short. Trust me they are lightning fast, if you miss it the diver is really open to it darting. It will try to get away but if you are too close because you passed past the fish or beside it, wham your stung as it tries to get away.
The best tool is a trident end type spear. Also it must not leave the hand. The Hawaiin sling has been the best or seemingly best as it is so fast and accurate. I have also used a 3ft fishing rod piece with a very large single fishing hook tied to the end. This works well but one must be incredibly slow and your bouyancy must be perfect.
This is one of the issues I would like to talk about also. This job is about killing the fish. As photographers are admonished for 'laying on coral' while getting the shot so are the lion fish hunters. The hunters are very versed in being careful not to hit the coral or hold onto coral for positioning.
Lets face it the guys doing this are the dms they know what they are doing and if for a second someone is being sloppy at the job they would stop them from doing it. But as I have been privy to, the guys usually wont let anyone do it unless theyve dove with them quite a lot. I know some dive masters that just plain old wont let anyone do it on their boat. Thats probably the best.
Sometimes we shew them out of their spot as it's to hard to get them without hitting the coral. This is why the hook is so effective. You pull rather than push.
For most divers its just fun finding them and letting the dm get em.
 
What we don't need are recreational divers with knives attempting to kill lionfish. The same applies to spears as well. Leave it up to the Divemasters who are not only authorized but who are experienced in how to handle this situatio


Actually, I think there are prob many more 'recreational divers' that are more experienced in killing/spearing fish than most of the DM's there.



I might pay extra for a lionfish hunt. .

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I'm thinking a 12" Bar-B-Q fork strapped to the calf somehow, spear the fish in the soft abdomen, drop it for the crabs.

I like your thinking here Don. The BBQ fork would make an effective spear and it could double as a cooking implement if you decide to eat what you spear. Now we just need an appropriate sheath and some good Texas BBQ sauce.

Well I have Cutco utensils so while I say BBQ fork, it's actually the #27, #1027, or #1727 Carving fork with bowling ball handle that should last in saltwater much better than a wooden one...
2nktpvl.jpg
Drill a hole in the end, mount a camera wrist strap, long enough to avoid the spines - I think a good tool for this job.
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Don, we're going to turn you into a "Lionfish Killing Machine" :thumb:
 

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