Is this guy smoking something or is he on to something?

[openmindOW]

. . . there are some out there . .

Amen.

Let's all be polite. There is plenty of room in the sandbox.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Every group has an arse or arses.

And it works both ways. We frequently get people who identify themselves as solo divers, or some other style of diving which is decidedly not DIR who will come into the DIR forum and post something purely for the sake of baiting or trolling ... even though it is against the rules. Then they'll complain bitterly when the thread gets closed or their post is edited. When was the last time any of you EVER saw a DIR person go into the solo forum and behave like that?

DIR folks are constantly being told that they're a cult, a religion, a bunch of kool-aid drinkers, Nazis, or ... as we've seen in this thread ... insecure. People who have no clue what they're talking about are intent on spreading Internet rumors and misinformation ... and then act all indignant when someone tries to correct them.

What, exactly, is the point? They don't want someone criticizing the way they dive ... and yet they feel justified to criticize how others do?

Why is it that some people want to hold others to a standard of behavior they are unwilling to hold themselves to? There's a term for folks who do that ... well, actually there's two terms ... but in this case, "Senator" doesn't apply ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[openmindOW]

Maybe I'm grumpy from having been up all night

I have heard it. I'm glad that you haven't. And, BTW, I really like DIR. So, this is not a slam on DIR.

So let's all be polite to one another.

 

[Hank49]

Free dive spearfishing vs scuba spearing
Spearfishing should be banned.
DIR vs non DIR.....

It takes two sides to argue. If I was DIR, I wouldn't bother arguing about it like some have for the 7 years I've been on SB. Just do it.

 

[LiteHedded]

I have seen it on ScubaBoard as lately as about 1 month ago. A poster made a wild and flaming post claiming that a person (another poster from this thread) was taking their lives in their hands (word for word "Risk your life if you want......." I believe) by diving with non-GUE trained divers......this was specific to GUE divers only but is still indicative IMO. He was told he was being an idiot and making the rest of them look bad and edited his post to "........".

It may not happen often but there are people out there.

Citation Needed


the ratio of negative posts ABOUT dir divers to negative posts FROM dir divers is in our favor on scubaboard IMO

 

[ScubaSteve]

Citation Needed


the ratio of negative posts ABOUT dir divers to negative posts FROM dir divers is in our favor on scubaboard IMO

Agreed. I was simply responding to a specific question.

 

[David_57]

Have an idea how about starting a a dive philosophy called Doing It Wrong ("DIW") for all us strokes

 

[Jax]

OTOH, there is a contingent that has also gone out of their way to discuss the ideas and philosophy to be repeatedly told by people who have never tried it all the reasons why it won't work for them, or why it's a cult, or that they've had too much kool-aide, etc. etc. etc.

A lot of those people have just given up trying to discuss it with non-DIR folks because it just turns into an exercise in frustration.

the ratio of negative posts ABOUT dir divers to negative posts FROM dir divers is in our favor on scubaboard IMO

Y'know, if one were to change "DIR" to "Harley Davidson" and "non-DIR" to "rice burners", this is a very familiar argument . . .

Harley Davidson (& their riders) turned around its negative reputation by a concentrated effort of community reach-out and establishment of annual events in which tolerance and friendliness is mandated. The PR campaign has not only promoted the Harley riding community as a whole, but promoted a stronger bond between all motorcyclists.

Any chance something like that could be done in the DIR community?

 

[David_57]

Y'know, if one were to change "DIR" to "Harley Davidson" and "non-DIR" to "rice burners", this is a very familiar argument . . .

Harley Davidson (& their riders) turned around its negative reputation by a concentrated effort of community reach-out and establishment of annual events in which tolerance and friendliness is mandated. The PR campaign has not only promoted the Harley riding community as a whole, but promoted a stronger bond between all motorcyclists.

Any chance something like that could be done in the DIR community?

Sorry Jax bad example HD riders although not all; are renowned for looking down their collective noses at anything not Harley hence the term Jap Scrap, Rice Burner, etc.

 

[Cave Diver]

Y'know, if one were to change "DIR" to "Harley Davidson" and "non-DIR" to "rice burners", this is a very familiar argument . . .

Harley Davidson (& their riders) turned around its negative reputation by a concentrated effort of community reach-out and establishment of annual events in which tolerance and friendliness is mandated. The PR campaign has not only promoted the Harley riding community as a whole, but promoted a stronger bond between all motorcyclists.

Any chance something like that could be done in the DIR community?

In response, I'll go back to two of my previous statements:

A lot of those people have just given up trying to discuss it with non-DIR folks because it just turns into an exercise in frustration.

Some people are going to hear what they want to hear and interpret it the way they want to regardless of how clear the message is made to them.

How much effort do you think that a diver who subscribes to the DIR philosophy should spend trying to convince someone who just doesn't want to get it why it's a good idea?

The other edge to that sword, is that once people start putting more effort into educating about the benefits to people that really just want to argue about it, then they get called zealots.

Where is the upside?