Is the BP/W really the best BCD for recreational divers?

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My experience is that a BP/W is harder to use for a new diver. I like it in the water, but it is a bit of a PITA. And no defined method for ditching weight, that's a pretty big downside.

The jacket BC is definitely easier for a new diver.

- Bill
Having used both for many years I can say that a jacket BC is harder to use. You have a cumberbund, chest strap, several plastic snap connections and the bulk of the BC makes you less streamlined in the water. I wear just enough weight that I can swim up from any depth without adding air if necessary, but I could always ditch my weightbelt if needed just as easily with a backplate.
 
Although I am currently transitioning from a jacket-style to a BP/W, I have to admit that the handful of dives I have done in a borrowed BP/W were not the most comfortable. (This was a balanced rig, steel BP, single Al 80, and 5 mm suit, shore diving.) Since there wasn't any weight on my hips and all of it was up high on my back, the straps dug into my shoulders, and the whole thing just felt heavy when donning it and walking to and from the entry/exit point. By way of comparison, when I go backpacking, there is a padded belt on my backpack that shifts some of the weight to my hips, where it is more comfortable. Okay, so perhaps the remedy is an aluminum plate and a weight belt, but if I go that route then am I not circumventing one of the advantages of the BP/W--the ability to shift weight higher and closer to my back? I wish I could say that the only discomfort with the rig was while walking to/from the site, but getting used to it in the water was no cakewalk either. Although everyone talks about this "stable platform," I found that at shallow depths with little air in the wing the rig wanted to roll me over; preventing roll required some small fin movement now and then. My guess is that at greater depths, where the wing is more inflated, the wing acts more like the platform people talk about "hanging" from. But the experience did make me think twice about adopting a BP/W for recreational warm-water diving where I'm just as likely to hang out on a 20-ft coral reef as anything else.

I have not given up hope, and I feel that once I get used to the BP/W, the advantages will outweigh any disadvantages. I have seen an increasing number of rec divers with a BP/W, and I do not think it's just Scubaboard Kool-Aid.
 
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Although everyone talks about this "stable platform," I found that at shallow depths with little air in the wing the rig wanted to roll me over; preventing roll required some small fin movement now and then. My guess is that at greater depths, where the wing is more inflated, the wing acts more like the platform people talk about "hanging" from. But the experience did make me think twice about adopting a BP/W for recreational warm-water diving where I'm just as likely to hang out on a 20-ft coral reef as anything else.

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It sounds like you may have shifted too much weight to your back. I'd try getting rid of weighted STA and using a weight belt with 4-6 pounds on it.

For the OP it is hard to understand why you need all this adjustment. I've had a BP/W for eight years and have not adjusted it in the past seven. But if you can't work it out and want a Zeagle Ranger send me an offer.
 
I had an instructor look it over actually, but as time is limited and there were others in the class, he didn't and can't really be expected to help me get things exactly right.

Sounds like you have the right gear... but the wrong instructor.

What else is there that your instructor "can't really be expected to help you get exactly right" I wonder.

We put all of our OW students in standard-size Halcyon BP/W rigs. From 11yr old Girl Scouts to 65yr old former wrestlers. We adjust these rigs to size each and every one of them perfectly. It takes no more time, effort, skill, or intelligence to do this than it does to have a student try on two different size BCDs to see which fits best. Any instructor that cannot handle doing so really shouldn't be allowed to work with students.


So whats the point of this forum?


Split-fin arguments and wailing/gnashing of teeth regarding the current quality of OW instruction.


Duh...
 
Ok so i am thinking about a wing as my first non rental rig because my size puts me on the outs of standard size

Curently i rent everything but always from the same place and there is not so much competition for my size now before i list sizes let it be known everyone gets one and only one fat joke agreed

4Xl farmer jhon 7mm wetsuit
3Xl bcd i belive its a Sherwood
40 pounds of lead on a al80 or 36 on steel 72

So what would i need to get for a bp&w

Does it have to be 50 pound lift to offset the lead

Simple easy to get into harness (no so flexible these days)
 
Split-fin arguments and wailing/gnashing of teeth regarding the current quality of OW instruction.


Duh...

Carpet bombing threads with HOG regulator recommendations.
Crappy Go Pro videos, and the crappy divers who create them.
Long hose hate.
Dry snorkles....but it's been awhile.
Weak leg muscles.
I love my LDS.
My LDS sucks.
Current.
Whites Fusion dry suits and you.
Carpet bombing threads with BP/W recommendations.
Bad backs.
PADI sucks.
No....the Instructors do.
No they don't.
DIR hurt my feelings a decade ago.
Bad knees.
Metric sucks.
Side Mount is cooler than you.......suck it!
Guided dives.
Instructor smack down!
Pockets.
 
Don't forget the derogatory term Poodle Jacket. If that's not enough incentive to have you switch, well maybe your Poodle Jacket is pink.
 
I found that at shallow depths with little air in the wing the rig wanted to roll me over;

Like was said, you probably have too much weight on your back. An STA and a v-weight in there puts a lot of weight behind you. Rather than do that, I wear a weight belt, and the weights are in front of my hips. This makes me much more stable. I also find that, unlike a jacket BC and even a back-inflate BC sometimes, a BP/W naturally pushes me into a horizontal position.

For WhiteSands, my input is the same as many others here. I don't make adjustments to my harness. I dive it the same wet or dry. Yes, it's a little more snug in a drysuit and a little looser in a wetsuit, but I haven't found it to impact my diving.
 
Sounds like you have the right gear... but the wrong instructor.

What else is there that your instructor "can't really be expected to help you get exactly right" I wonder.

We put all of our OW students in standard-size Halcyon BP/W rigs. From 11yr old Girl Scouts to 65yr old former wrestlers. We adjust these rigs to size each and every one of them perfectly. It takes no more time, effort, skill, or intelligence to do this than it does to have a student try on two different size BCDs to see which fits best. Any instructor that cannot handle doing so really shouldn't be allowed to work with students.

Please post side view pictures of an 11 yr old girl (typical sized for an 11-year old) with a standard sized Halcyon BP, adjusted to what you feel is the ideal adjustment.
 
From the recent trend in thread topics, theres one thing thats pretty clear to me...
Its winter on the northern hemisphere and people are getting bored :p
 

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