Is PADI non-profit?

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norcaldiver:
They are not "Not for profit", but it's not really getting anyone rich..

Guess again. Cronin and his board are laughing all the way to the bank at that naive remark.

They put a lot of that money back into diving in one form or another...the $50 referal program, advertising, program development, they donate buttloads to different groups i.e greenreef, catalina deco chamber, project aware, make-a-wish. I found a list of all the grants that they did in 2002 and 2003, but can't find it on the web now. It was a pretty big figure, in the range of 250K each year, if I remember right.[/QUOTE]

Drop in the bucket. Cost of doing business. The most profitable corporations give ten times that much to charity each year. It's called a tax write off and public relations.
 
cancun mark:
yep PADI is a profit making organisation, they are a business. Blame the babylonians for inventing commerce. ....

"Buy something and then sell it for more"..... shocking! it shouldnt be allowed should it. Except that would make us all communists or socialists and that wouldnt do either would it?

What a conundrum... We all aspire to wealth and success, but see the process of gaining weath and success as rather unethical.

I think I will remain poor and self-righteous to solve the dilema.

There are tobacco company execs and heroin dealers taking notes to use your little speech in their own defense.
 
miketsp:
Come to think of it aren't there a lot of profit making medical schools?

No, there aren't. Else all the alumni donations that subsidize their operations would not be tax deductible.
Post secondary education is highly dependent upon alumni donations to stay afloat. This is an incentive to do a good job of educating, since you need successful grads to support the institution. In dive training, however, the better trained you are, the less money you put back into the agency (in the form of paying their members to babysit (sorry, "supervise") you while diving.
 
archman:
I know NAUI used to be non-profit, but this changed a year or two ago.

No, it didn't. They remain non-profit. They spun off a for profit corporation, which they own, to handle publishing of training materials.
 
nonameisgood:
As to the original post, compare most public school systems to private schools. Would you rather get a better education for more money, or settle for less benefit for less cost? It is a choice anyone that can afford it can make. Seems to me, PADI does a good job of making instructors, with minimal educational experience, good instructors.

Private schools are non-profits, and they actually LOSE money on tuition. Like universities, they rely heavily on alumni fundraising to stay afloat.
 
dweeb:
Guess again. Cronin and his board are laughing all the way to the bank at that naive remark.


John Cronin is dead dude, and those fortunate enough to have met him are better people for it. Myself included.

A little respect for one of divings greats. Please!
 
cancun mark:
John Cronin is dead dude, and those fortunate enough to have met him are better people for it. Myself included.

A little respect for one of divings greats. Please!

I didn't see anything disrespectful in what dweeb said. I'm sure that between being co-founder of PADI and VP of aqualung that Mr. Cronin did pretty well for himself.
 
MikeFerrara:
I didn't see anything disrespectful in what dweeb said. I'm sure that between being co-founder of PADI and VP of aqualung that Mr. Cronin did pretty well for himself.

He also inspired close to quarter of a million people to become professional divers and 10 million to become certified.

Damn right he should be rewarded and respected for that.
 
DivePartner1:
This claim couldn't possibly be more wrong. In 20 years I've never seen a less accountable group for financial shenanigans than non-profits.

A (c)(3) need do little more than that file a Form 990, and few are forthcoming in sharing these although required to do so my law. With tens of thousands of new non-profits of all colors every year, the tiny number of staff that the IRS assigns to 501(c)(3)'s cannot possibly hope to provide minimal accountabilty much less anything close to the financial integrity of a public traded company. If Sarbanes Oxley applied to non-profits--and Congress actually funded someone to police non-profits--the prisions would be full.

Many, many, many non-profits are fronts for personal enrichment, whether through $130,000 salaries than soak up much of the revenues of small charities to insider dealings or asset deals. The have been many hearings of varieties of "private enurement" (as it's called) and how the IRS lacks any weapons to stop it.

Several years ago, Billy Grahams group was lobbying church groups to publish audited financials to show where the money goes. Virually all of them declined. And accountability? Read some of the letters to editor following the AARP's "suprise" support of the recent Medicare bill. Most members were surprised that they couldn't get a straight answer about how AARP makes decisions (AARP was founded by a group of fomer insurance brokers and devotes the bulk of its resources to its "unrelated" insurance business).

And don't forget "United Way." Even after the national chairman went to the Big House for grossly obvious fraud, local affilates are under investigation from SF to DC. DC's leader was just convicted for a pattern of fraud going back decades. For twenty years, auditors, regulators and boards of trustees winked, nodded, or slept-walked through their jobs.

And don't forget the Nature Conservancy's recent sales of prime nature reserves to rich donors. There are hearings now because that kind of nonsense was not prohibited, just like there were hearings ten yeas ago after Pat Robbertson bought church's TV station for a pittance then flipped it for a sale that yielded him and his son a king's ransom. Again, wrong, to many of us, but not illegal. Like those hearings, I'd be shocked if NC's shennagans result in meaningful reform.

Still, a few groups are paying attention: the following rates non-profits under its own reletively mild rules of minimally accountable conduct; www.give.org

Plug in some names. You might be surprised.

Great post! Nothing wrong with a fair profit IMO. However, "fair" can be a rather subjective word depending on your personal views.

I agree with DivePartner1. Real POS companies claim non-profit status and bilk it for all its worth to build outrageous personal wealth. That kind of misses the point of being non-profit don't ya know!

John Cronin was known to be rather well off. I didn't know there was anything wrong with working hard to build something and then profiting from it. He built it and they came, end of story. More power to him IMO.

Anyone out there like working for sub-standard wages?
 
cancun mark:
He also inspired close to quarter of a million people to become professional divers and 10 million to become certified.

Damn right he should be rewarded and respected for that.

In this country at least a person is rewarded for doing anything that gets people to part with their money as long as they don't brek any laws while doing it. Whether or not that makes a person great is a matter of opinion.

inspired close to quarter of a million people to become professional divers

Inspired is one word for it. LOL
 

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