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that's good to hear, cdiver2

at least it seems it may depend on the nature of the claim, and it's not
a blanket policy to hassle consumers

which SHOULD NOT be tolerated, from DAN or anybody else
 
I do wonder how much the DAN insurance company loses when other carriers of responsibility are not included on the claims? DAN's insurance is supposed to pay what the primary carrier does not, if I understand correctly - or split the expenses in other cases. However, if the chamber facility only bills DAN's insurance company, does not even ask about other possible carriers nor bills them - the facility would get paid faster, but DAN's insurance company is hit unfairly.

My primary carrier does not cover me in Mexico, but I always take trip insurance that would cover me for up to $100,000 - perhaps with some limits on dive accidents, I'd have to check further. DAN would want to split the expenses with that carrier, but - why should the facility bother if they can just expect DAN to pay.

Ultimately, if the DAN USA insurance company pays more than it should - be it thru unreasonable charges and/or not sharing the expenses with other carriers, the losses will eventually have to be passed on to the insured customers.

And with the DAN USA insurance company being the largest in the world, both of these battles must be won or lost by DAN USA, while the effect will ultimately hit all divers' insurance plans. Those who chose to insure elsewhere will enjoy the benefit of DAN's efforts even tho their carriers are not supporting the fight.
 
H2Andy:
that's good to hear, cdiver2

at least it seems it may depend on the nature of the claim, and it's not
a blanket policy to hassle consumers

which SHOULD NOT be tolerated, from DAN or anybody else


It may also be how you file your claim, you know what insurance Co are like..dot the I's and cross the T's.
In my case it was a
DCS but with other complications, dehydration and heat exhaustion.
When I filed with DAN I sent a copy of the Drs report, chamber treatment report, bill from the hospital, payment from the primary Insurance, a graph of the last three dives, and a letter explaining the sequence of the illness for the week prior to going to the hospital. Everything dotted and crossed
 
cdiver2:
It may also be how you file your claim, you know what insurance Co are like..dot the I's and cross the T's.

Frankly, I am having trouble remembering a trouble-free experience with any insurance company at the moment.

Two years ago, I had a health incident while on a dive trip, but it was not dive related, so I had to go solely through my regular health insurance. There was no in-network provider there, and I had to go through unbelievable hoops for more than a year to recover my supposedly covered expenses. I had to make perhaps 20 phone calls. I sent the same form in over and over again. Then I learned it was not the right form. So I sent a different one in. Then they said they did not get it. I sent it in again. I got it back--I had forgotten to fill in one obscure box in the corner, a box that simply repeated information found elsewhere on the form. I sent it in again. After a couple of months I called again. They said they had never gotten that form from me at all (even the first time), so I had to do it all over again. Eventually I wore them down and got reimbursed.

While that was going on, I met someone who once worked in an insurance claims office for another company. Someone in a situation similar to mine had sent a form to her desk, but it was misaddressed. It was supposed to be sent to the office across the hall from her for final processing. So she walked across the hall and put it on that desk. Her supervisor came to her shortly with the form. She was told never to do that. In cases, like that, she was supposed to stamp the form DENIED and return it without explanation. If the claimant calls her to ask why it was denied, she could explain that it was misaddressed, but she was not supposed to volunteer that information. She was told that most people who are denied never take it any farther. That is what happened to me--I was never told why my claims were being denied--I had to extract it from them, and it was not easy.

So that's how other insurance companies work. I have never had to make a claim to Dan.
 
boulderjohn:
Frankly, I am having trouble remembering a trouble-free experience with any insurance company at the moment.

Two years ago, I had a health incident while on a dive trip, but it was not dive related, so I had to go solely through my regular health insurance. There was no in-network provider there, and I had to go through unbelievable hoops for more than a year to recover my supposedly covered expenses. I had to make perhaps 20 phone calls. I sent the same form in over and over again. Then I learned it was not the right form. So I sent a different one in. Then they said they did not get it. I sent it in again. I got it back--I had forgotten to fill in one obscure box in the corner, a box that simply repeated information found elsewhere on the form. I sent it in again. After a couple of months I called again. They said they had never gotten that form from me at all (even the first time), so I had to do it all over again. Eventually I wore them down and got reimbursed.

While that was going on, I met someone who once worked in an insurance claims office for another company. Someone in a situation similar to mine had sent a form to her desk, but it was misaddressed. It was supposed to be sent to the office across the hall from her for final processing. So she walked across the hall and put it on that desk. Her supervisor came to her shortly with the form. She was told never to do that. In cases, like that, she was supposed to stamp the form DENIED and return it without explanation. If the claimant calls her to ask why it was denied, she could explain that it was misaddressed, but she was not supposed to volunteer that information. She was told that most people who are denied never take it any farther. That is what happened to me--I was never told why my claims were being denied--I had to extract it from them, and it was not easy.

So that's how other insurance companies work. I have never had to make a claim to Dan.


LOL. SOP for insurance companies. How about when, in an HMO, they say you didn't get a referral for a specialist, when you sure did. Or when you go to a hospital in network but the ER doctor isn't and they won't pay the doctor bill. They say it's up to you to find out if the doctor is in network. I can see it now, while having a heart attack "Pardon me doctor, before you do CPR on me, are you in my network?" LOL
 
I recently switched to Dive Assure. I made just over 200 dives last year, almost all of them were in the local area. It really bothers me that DAN and some of the other carriers will not pay for transportation to a chamber if you have an accident 50 miles or less from home. How does that make any sense? I have been a member of DAN for 15 years with some lapses in coverage due to my laziness. I always just sucked it up because I figured some coverage was better than none, but paying out of pocket for a helicopter ride to a chamber in Savannah or Charleston when I paid for dive insurance makes no sense to me. I spoke with DAN and DiveAssure reps and this seemed like a little bit better deal.

The thing I am still leery about is both insist you must coordinate any transportation through them to be covered. In an emergency you call 911. You do not call DAN or DiveAssure and ask them to arrange transportation for you. The Dive Assure rep said that if you call 911 they will still pay for transportation if your condition required emergency transportation. That is not in writing anywhere so I do not trust it to be fact. I do not know what the best thing to do really is. It just seems weird dumping DAN after thinking of them as the only option for so long. Does anyon have any experience with Dive Assure?
 
naui 15694:
It really bothers me that DAN and some of the other carriers will not pay for transportation to a chamber if you have an accident 50 miles or less from home. How does that make any sense?

Dandy Don is so lucky. He doesn't have to worry about silly restrictions like that.
 
awap:
It really bothers me that DAN and some of the other carriers will not pay for transportation to a chamber if you have an accident 50 miles or less from home. How does that make any sense?
Dandy Don is so lucky. He doesn't have to worry about silly restrictions like that.
I don't think that's correct, at all. Their offices just closed, and I don't have the time at the moment to read the policy and explain the 50 miles thing, but I believe that's not dive related.
 
AFAIK, 50 miles refers to the travel insurance part, not dive accidents.
 
double post, sorry - and thanks El Orans :thumb:
 
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