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Input on our Accident and Incidents Forum... What do you want? How do you want it?
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I'm pretty sure I have read all of it. Most info is on the recovery not about what lead up to the actual accident.
There are a lot of things I still don't undertstand and AFAIK were not discussed or answered i. e.: in the video it looks like they were carrying very little BO, did they have a BOB per team? Did they set up the traverse prior to the dive? When were the BO tanks dropped on the far side and by whom? Did all the members of both teams knew both sections of the cave before they did the traverse? IMHO, as a cave diver, these things are crucial for analysing the accident.
I might have missed these points, but mostly people were talking about the recovery, which I don't think is very helpful at all and it's not analysing the accident. I not sure I've learned anything from that accident...
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Johnoly
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IMHO,,95% of the threads here are deaths,,,,everything else is a near miss. Don't think you can use the word "scuba" since we do cover freedivers deaths.
'Terminal Incidents'
'Final Dives'
'Non-resurfacing'
'Incomplete Dives'
'Non-refundable trips'
I'd vote to keep it simple that everyone worldwide can relate to " Accidents & Incidents"
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KevinNM
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That's because that thread was about the body recovery. The original accident thread was locked for cleanup and then was never unlocked. Which, btw, is something that scubaboard should stop doing.
The accident thread also has a vague title, which is something that I would have no issues with having a moderator fix when they run into them.
Bob DBF
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I personally like accidents, as it places no blame on the victim until necessary. Without accident, I have to assume someone, probably the victem since the thread is about them, was at fault, which may or may not be the case.
The big difference is Near Misses... are threads by the participants, and Accidents... are overwhelmingly from newspaper reports. Perhaps give top or equal billing to Near Misses... and change Accidents... to Reported Incidents or something, I'm not good at making up catchy names.
Or how about Truth and Consequences, except Bob Barker or the owners of the show's name might get upset.
Bob
drrich2
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Semantics can be a funny thing; to my ear, 'incidents' sounds more trivializing than accidents, and it's common knowledge many accidents could have been prevented (speaking generally about accidents, not specific to scuba). I do not work in accident analysis; neither do most people who read threads in the A&I section I would think.
If a coworker mentioned to you there was an incident at work the other day, vs. that there was an accident, which would make you wonder the most whether it was serious, and whether anyone was hurt & how badly?
Richard.
If a coworker mentioned to you there was an incident at work the other day, vs. that there was an accident, which would make you wonder the most whether it was serious, and whether anyone was hurt & how badly?
Richard.
From Google:
in·ci·dent
ˈinsəd(ə)nt/
noun
noun: incident; plural noun: incidents
1.
an event or occurrence.
"several amusing incidents"
synonyms: event, occurrence, episode, experience, happening, occasion, proceeding, eventuality, affair, business; More
ac·ci·dent
ˈaksədənt/
noun
noun: accident; plural noun: accidents
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
"he had an accident at the factory"
synonyms: mishap, misadventure, unfortunate incident, mischance, misfortune, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, calamity;
technical casualty
"an accident at work"
Incident is more vague, although neither indicate specifically that someone died. If nobody died, doesn't it belong in the "near misses" section? A scuba incident could be "bob went diving" or "bob inflated his bcd at the surface" or "bob ran out of air and drowned". I think only the third one of those would be an accident.
In the end, does the name really matter to anyone except search engines? It doesn't matter to me.
in·ci·dent
ˈinsəd(ə)nt/
noun
noun: incident; plural noun: incidents
1.
an event or occurrence.
"several amusing incidents"
synonyms: event, occurrence, episode, experience, happening, occasion, proceeding, eventuality, affair, business; More
ac·ci·dent
ˈaksədənt/
noun
noun: accident; plural noun: accidents
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
"he had an accident at the factory"
synonyms: mishap, misadventure, unfortunate incident, mischance, misfortune, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, calamity;
technical casualty
"an accident at work"
Incident is more vague, although neither indicate specifically that someone died. If nobody died, doesn't it belong in the "near misses" section? A scuba incident could be "bob went diving" or "bob inflated his bcd at the surface" or "bob ran out of air and drowned". I think only the third one of those would be an accident.
In the end, does the name really matter to anyone except search engines? It doesn't matter to me.
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