If you could change one thing about the dive industry, what would it be??

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If I could change anything right now....

I would make it safe for pregnant women to dive. My current 9 month hiatus is a real drag. I don't want to keep my husband from diving but I wish I could still dive too.

If I get a second vote I would choose....

I single non-profit certification agency. It could take the money motivation out that I believe makes the current certifying agencies lower their standards.

And also world peace.

:bunny: KC_Scubabunny :bunny:
 
Originally posted by LesleyDSO
I'd like to see every diver spend a month as an LDS operator.
Keyman prices on everything! Cool! :mean:

Where do I sign up for my month at EE? :)
 
This is more or less my vote for "I've had two instructors (OW and AOW), and they were both excellent."

I'm way up in the Northeast.. I suppose the fly by night guys just out there to make a buck head to more profitable places like Florida or the Caymans. All the guys in the shops near me just love to dive.

As for changing anything about the diving industry... I don't think I'd change anything. It seems to work as it is... the "only a few times in their lives" divers give money to those companies whose gear I love to buy. Those guys fund the research that goes into diving, so good for them! Companies like Halcyon, Scubapro, and Apeks still make gear that caters to the most dedicated and technical of divers, so it's all good by me. If prices were lowered and fewer people got certified.. the industry would collapse ;)

I think that dive training needs to be the way it is to attract the money the industry needs to survive.
 
Heather,

There are at least 2 non profit certification agencies although I believe NAUI is planning a transition to a for profit status. YMCA is is non profit.
 
Originally posted by Walter
There are at least 2 non profit certification agencies although I believe NAUI is planning a transition to a for profit status. YMCA is is non profit.

I knew YMCA was non profit. I didn't realize that NAUI still was. I think this is an excellent point to my argument that non profit agencies reduce the motivation to lower certification standards because they are not motivated by money.

I have also heard and Walter can probably verify this, that YMCA has much more strict training requirement for instructors. Better trained instructors would seem to translate to better trained students in my opinion.

I guess I am just a little scared of any agency where someone can go from OW diver to Instructor in less than a year. I have personally seen it happen. The instructor that I am speaking of is a really good guy and was on OW diver for several years before deciding to move on but that was not because the certification agency required it.

:bunny: Heather :bunny:
 
I am proposing more good old fashioned "caveat emptor" - accepting more of the responsibility for my own well being in exchange for not paying the overhead

Ok Rick Fair enough, not socialist, but it just doesn't make sense and won't cut costs one bit. Let's use a dive boat as an example. Say the owner had a bunch of clients willing to sign this "magic" waiver. He would still have to have insurance to cover his butt if HE messed up. Hence costs are the same regardless. True the cost of insurance MIGHT be a lower if less people were suing, but lets face it one relatively tiny industry going about it the right way is not going to affect the prices of a huge insurance agency covering every single potential case of negligence out there. You can't ask the owner to cut you a break on his trip price just because you signed; you haven't saved him a nickel. The absense of the threat to sue is the not the same thing as lower costs, he still has to cover his own tail.

-OR- we could look at this way. If you, like me, are willing to take more respsonsibility for your safety then who needs waiver and what good would it do? If I slip and fall on dive boat (even if its because someone other dummy passenger left their mask in the road), the last thing I'm going to think about is suing the owner.

So my point is it wouldn't cut costs and it wouldnt reduce the number of lawsuits because the people who sign those wouldnt have sued anyways. Its the other type of people you gotta worry about.

As for socialists, yours may not have been the best example, but all this talk about "unified" training (meaning play to the lowest common denominator) and equality between onine and LDS, just got me started.

Take care,
- the "lad" ;)
 
... in my utopia everything in the diving world is free for everyone!
Must dash as I have a few trees that my wife wants me to hug!
;)
Aquamore:jester:
 
Even though an agency is nonprofit the instructors and dive shops that teach that agencies courses are not. Money is just as much an issue.

Standards – The standards of any agency assume that a conscientious instructor is administering them. No system by way of procedures or written standards can be effective otherwise. For instance, I see many instructors using the minimum as defined in the standards as a maximum (get in the pool, do the required skills to the minimum required performance level and get out then go to open water conduct four 20 min dives, which after skill performance leaves not time to dive, and issue a card). This does meet standards but produces poor divers and does not meet the intent of the standards. The PADI standards recommend time for fun and practice as part of each confined water module. To make this a requirement would be hard because it would be hard to define. In open water a tour is a required component of each dive. The length is not specified. The tour is where experience is gained. Last night I finished a class in the pool. We play mask exchange games, toss a toypedo and have a very cool (parts are challenging even for an expert) buoyancy control course set up. This class negotiates the course like seasoned pros’. When I take this class to open water it will be a cake walk. Skill performance will go smoothly and amount to little more than a formality. In general all I have to do is spend two days diving with already competent (although inexperienced) divers. These are divers who will be better their first day out than many long time divers that I meet. This is the kind of class that is intended by the standards.

Now the catch… Conducting a class like this takes time and money (pool time costs me a fortune) it takes extra effort (someone must assemble, setup and take the time to conduct the games and practice activities) even though the standards say you can skip it and go home. I am starting to charge for this time and effort. The fact is it puts out better divers who have more fun. The value is there. If there is no market for this, I simply will not teach. Those who are in a hurry and want to put more effort into saving $50 than into learning to dive can go to the other guy who is less expensive. We have identified the portion (however small) of the market that interests us. If that market is too small to sustain the effort then there is nothing more for me to contribute. I will go diving, keep what I know to myself and leave new divers in the hands of the fast cheap instructors and the internet.

I have a video that was given to me by a customer. You know they video your dive group then sell copies for $50. I show this video to all my students because it contains great examples of everything that a diver shouldn't do. It shows the dive leader tearing apart coral to grab octopus and the group taking turns playing with it. The video shows divers with unsecured alternates and gauges. The video shows How hard a diver must work when the are overweighted, have incorrect trim with fins beating the coral to pieces. The video shows that, despite the number of divers in the group, no one has a buddy. This video is how I have come to view recreational diving. The video shows the norm. The divers in the video spent alot of money to be there and they were happy. I have another video I show as an example of what divers should look and act like in the water.
 
Originally posted by MikeFerrara

I have a video that was given to me by a customer....

Mike, that's a great idea.

I'm sure it has a big impact on your students. I'll bet you've saved a bunch of reefs that way. Not to mention turning out some good divers.
 

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