Greenpeace None Too Happy with Mighty O Sinking...

[gangrel441]

To put it simply, Greenpeace and Peta are the types of organizations that scream until no one listens anymore. As a conservationist and an advocate for animal rights, I often find myself wishing that Peta or Greenpeace would just shut up so someone competent can actually try to get something good accomplished. I wish I could say it was just pure incompetence on their part, but the more I see, the more I believe they are accomplishing their own agenda. When I watch what these organizations are up to, it becomes pretty aparent to me that they are not really out to "change the world" or "help mother nature", but rather they are a bunch of arrogant children trying to do a smash and grab job for attention and headlines. In doing so, they assault the senses of the general public to the point where when I try to show someone a few simple steps they can follow to make the environment a better place, I have to overcome being looked at like some whacko hippy.

The world is an awfully large place, and in order to make the best impact, we have to learn to pick our battles. Greenpeace grabs at the ones that will put Greenpeace in the headlines and generate donations. Be careful not to confuse this with chosing the battles that will actually accomplish some good.

 

[RikRaeder]

Well said from someone in a country that refuses to honor any of the international limits or bans on whale hunting, shark finning, total distruction of the bluefin tuna, and who knows what else.

Would you mind cleaning your own house before telling me that mine is messy?

Hmmm. Rik Raeder...that's a good, strong, Japanese name, yeah?
Chuh!
I'm from California, so it's not MY house, I'm just staying here. Being from California, I may boast that MY HOUSE has the strictest environmental protection laws in the US.

 

[Wijbrandus]

This was taken from your first reference:
"This explains the paradox that while the US is the biggest polluter in the world in absolute terms, it has much fewer pollution problems than China."

So China isn't the largest. The US military MAY not be the largest anymore, I HAVE conceeded that. My information is what's called "common knowledge," although I admit it is common knowledge from five years ago and may have changed since then.

::sighs::

Rik, it also states that China is managing to do in a few decades what it took the US as a whole a hundred years. The point is that China is destroying their environment. The US is not. We are managing our problems, and correcting them. Our air and environment is far cleaner now than it was in the '50s. China is getting worse by the hour.

If you can't see where your concern should lie, particularly with your proximity to China, then have a nice day. I don't think we have anything further to discuss.

 

[mfalco]

What irks me is that the article, and some of the posters, are writing as though there are vats of liquid chemical sitting on the Oriskany, waiting for the puncture that will release a concentrated cloud of material into the sea . . . There aren't. The PCBs are in plastics. Do you know how long it takes for plastic to break down?

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Someone makes a great point, then every ignores it to argue about Greenpeace.


In fact 97% of the PCBs are in the insulation around electrical wires. On top of that no one points out that the EPA did a 2 year study to test PCBs leeching out of the materials on the Oriskany, and found negligable amounts actually leeched out. Their data (with actual numbers) can be found on the web.




By the way my 2 cents on Greenpeace and PETA. If you piss everyone off they are less likely to take you side. They do their causes more harm than good most of the time.

 

[Kim]

Oh man.....I am so not getting into this.

Gangrel...I agree with you.

I have to overcome being looked at like some whacko hippy.

 

[RikRaeder]

...yes, The Mighty O could be a pollutant, But at the same time this is going to provide a safe haven for how many species to breed and flourish! I am all for Green peace freaking out and hassling unsafe vessels or vessels that run aground from due to stupidity! but 90% of the stuff they stick there noses into are totally ridiculous!...!

I think the issue here is that the US Navy has about 50 more ships it would be happy to sink/dispose of. These ships also have PCBs. The latest carrier left 700lbs aboard. How many pounds will the next have? The one after that? It's likely that the Navy will find it more and more "cost effective" to leave more and more dangerous toxins aboard.
Greenpeace isn't going to stop the US Navy but it's good that some protest is raised before a dangerous precedent is set which COULD lead to more and greater levels of pollutants being dumped off of US coastlines.

 

[Wijbrandus]

Instead of worrying about what "COULD" be, let's worry about what "IS".

Shark finning, coral destruction, overfishing.

These are proven problems, and far more concerning to me than a new reef that will be crawling with life in a few months, and "might" have a problem "someday".

 

[gangrel441]

PCB's were on every ship that was sunk in Pearl Harbor and Truk Lagoon. Prior to sinking, those ships were also not cleansed of other polutants on board. What has the impact been there? This issue is being discussed as though this is the first WWII era aircraft carrier to have been sunk.

 

[RikRaeder]

::sighs::

Rik, it also states that China is managing to do in a few decades what it took the US as a whole a hundred years. The point is that China is destroying their environment. The US is not. We are managing our problems, and correcting them. Our air and environment is far cleaner now than it was in the '50s. China is getting worse by the hour.

If you can't see where your concern should lie, particularly with your proximity to China, then have a nice day. I don't think we have anything further to discuss.

Environment doesn't stop at international borders. I disagree that we are managing and controlling pollution. How long did it take to get MTBEs out of our fuel? Ever seen Subic Bay? Just because we don't pollute at home (which we do) doesn't mean that we don't pollute. The Navy left a huge, toxic mess at Subic. The Farallons are a dumping ground for some extremely nasty stuff, right off of San Francisco. If our air is cleaner than it was in the 50's, it's probably because we quit blowing off atomic bombs on our own soil, and took them to Bikini, etc. I'm afraid that you're right on at least one point...we must agree to disagree. Open your eyes (if the noxious fumes aren't burning them too much).

 

[Vayu]

Yes I am saying PCBs and other chemical pollutants are directly responsible for the spawning of mutant zombie scum. Maybe the links didn't show the floridian alligator turtle but I found this off of pensacola only one day after the oriskany went down.

Now as you must know not all mutants are dangerous. Mutations are the only source of new genetic material and this is integral to the natural process of evolution. However, there comes a point when zombie mutant scum will devour humanity. This is what greenpeace is trying to prevent.