Greenpeace None Too Happy with Mighty O Sinking...

[trigfunctions]

All of the arguments about Greenpeace are irrelevant to the issue of whether or not the 700 lbs of PCBs that the Navy acknowledges were left on the ship pose a concern to health and the environment. As Dr. Bill said, sometimes the facts are the facts, regardless of the messenger.

The Navy says it did a risk analysis and doesn't consider the PCBs to be a threat. As an environmental engineer who is routinely involved in pollution investigations and risk assessments, I'm skeptical. However, I know people who work in the environmental sections of the DoD and I believe they can do good work. Personally, though, I would rather spend the extra $$$ and have the PCBs removed instead of turning the Gulf into a testing lab for the risk analysis theories.

 

[fire_diver]

I can't find it now but i will continue looking i remember a picture of a green peace vessel out trying to stop a much smaller Seal hunting vessel and the amount of Black smoke and **** coming out of the green peace vessel was totally out ragous!

How about the greenpeace vessel that ran into the very reef they were "protecting"?

FD

 

[Vayu]

Ever heard of mutant zombie turtles? Thats the reason floridians have a problem with alligator snapping turtles. We are talking 6', gaping jaws, brain eating monsters.

And its all because of pcbs.

 

[Wijbrandus]

Ever heard of mutant zombie turtles? Thats the reason floridians have a problem with alligator snapping turtles. We are talking 6', gaping jaws, brain eating monsters.

And its all because of pcbs.

I have not heard of these. Can you provide a link? [edit] Ah, you added a link. That's for a regular snapping turtle though, not a mutant zombie one.

All I can find are "teenage mutant ninja turtles", but I'm hoping that's not what you are talking about.

 

[Michael_Lambert]

I think that was rather the point - they're not going to be doing much breeding and flourishing if they're taking in high doses of PCBs.

I Believe that the PCB's would be dangerous over time? But many species of fish and mammals only come to breed then leave. So it will house a great breeding ground.

but again like to every story we have 3 sides Green peaces / the Navy and then the truth.. unfortunately we wont know the truth for sometime.

 

[Vayu]

http://herpcenter.ipfw.edu/index.ht...turtles/Alligator_Snapping_Turtle/index.htm&2

http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/ReptilesAmphibians/Facts/FactSheets/Alligatorsnappingturtle.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle

 

[Wijbrandus]

Vayu,

Are you trying to say that PCBs created the alligator snapping turtle? I'm confused on what your point is. The alligator snapping turtle is not a mutant, it's an indigenous species...

 

[TheRedHead]

What on earth does the alligator snapping turtle have to do with the Oriskany? My father caught one in Mississippi when I was child.

http://herpcenter.ipfw.edu/index.ht...turtles/Alligator_Snapping_Turtle/index.htm&2

http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/ReptilesAmphibians/Facts/FactSheets/Alligatorsnappingturtle.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle

 

[RikRaeder]

http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIaNID=32909
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/03/31/archive/main178697.shtml
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/view?/news/2001/06/05/china_environ010605

This is just on a quick search. And I'm not conceding the point about the US Military. Where are you getting your information from? Greenpeace websites?

This was taken from your first reference:
"This explains the paradox that while the US is the biggest polluter in the world in absolute terms, it has much fewer pollution problems than China."

So China isn't the largest. The US military MAY not be the largest anymore, I HAVE conceeded that. My information is what's called "common knowledge," although I admit it is common knowledge from five years ago and may have changed since then.

 

[Kim]

I think we should make artificial reefs out of the Greenpeace fleet.

I thought they did that in New Zealand already!

Hey...I'm not taking sides...it's just an observation!