Frog Kick VS Modified Flutter

[Wibble]

According to Wikipedia (WITH references!):

Flutter kick is the alternating up and down motion of the legs, either from the hips or as the more restricted movement of the modified flutter kick, and is the most frequently used finning technique. Flutter kick is easy to learn and is the technique most commonly taught to learner divers, but is often applied badly, where the fin is moved in a "pedalling motion", which reduces the effort required to move the feet, at the cost of making the effort largely ineffective for propulsion. Almost all types of fin are at least reasonably effective for flutter kick, with the exception of the monofin.
For maximum power from the flutter kick the full length of the leg from the hip is used, as kicking from the hips uses the largest muscle groups Having one stronger or leading leg tends to propel the diver in a curve, particularly if there is no visual feedback.

Flutter kick is effective for acceleration and sustained speed, particularly over moderate to long distances. It is a strong technique and can produce high thrust, so it is effective when swimming against a current. Sustained moderate to high speeds increase gas consumption due to high energy output.

Forward movement through the water has been used as a substitute for neutral buoyancy, particularly before buoyancy compensators became available, and still is used for this purpose. The flutter kick has a tendency to kick up silt from the bottom from downwash, but is good for avoiding contact with a nearby vertical surface, as when swimming along a wall.

Wikipedia: that well-known peer-reviewed source of truth.

Must get in there to edit it to include the bicycle kick variant best used by Buddha buoyancy proponents.

 

[drk5036]

Wikipedia: that well-known peer-reviewed source of truth.

Must get in there to edit it to include the bicycle kick variant best used by Buddha buoyancy proponents.

Well, it is technically peer reviewed…

Anyway, you can’t say “how could ANYONE call the straight leg standard kick a flutter kick!?!?” when the internet’s most commonly checked source says just that.

Not I’m not even saying I necessarily agree or disagree, just that it’s clearly, often referred to as the standard flutter kick.

 

[dmaziuk]

... and yet when I do a helicopter turn ... I am not using any frog kick, but I still manage to turn around in one spot, in either direction. And not swimming in a circle.

Amazing how one can just rotate one's feet and not kick anything, innit.

 

[Wibble]

Amazing how one can just rotate one's feet and not kick anything, innit.

Especially in a silted up wreck. Gosh, can even turn around and go backwards.

Or get on your bike and flutter off in a cloud of silt...

 

[tursiops]

Or get on your bike and flutter off in a cloud of silt...

Not sure why you keep conflating a flutter kick with a bicycle kick. The former works quite well, especially if modified for the conditions; the latter is poor training and an inept kick.

 

[Wibble]

Not sure why you keep conflating a flutter kick with a bicycle kick. The former works quite well, especially if modified for the conditions; the latter is poor training and an inept kick.

It's conflating flutter and scissor that's the issue.

 

[tursiops]

Or get on your bike and flutter off in a cloud of silt...

It's conflating flutter and scissor that's the issue.

So why are you saying what you said about bike and flutter?

I agree, flutter and scissor are NOT the same, even though our DIR friends think otherwise.

 

[boulderjohn]

It's conflating flutter and scissor that's the issue.

Scissor kick described in various sources, including dictionaries:

What Is the Scissor Kick in Swimming?

The scissor kick is a lower-body movement that helps propel swimmers through the water. It is easy for beginners to learn because it requires only a simple opening and closing of your straightened legs to provide forward momentum. Used in combination with synchronized arm movements, the scissor...

www.sportsrec.com

Sidestroke Swimming Technique - Part 2

Explains the swimming technique of the sidestroke. Lots of pictures are used to illustrate the arm and leg movements.

www.enjoy-swimming.com

Scissor-kick definition in American English | Collins English Dictionary

Scissor-kick definition: a type of swimming kick used esp in the sidestroke , in which one leg is moved forward... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples in American English

www.collinsdictionary.com

https://www.wordnik.com/words/scissors%20kick

https://www.yourdictionary.com/scissor-kickhttps://www.lexico.com/en/definition/scissor_kick

scissor kick

1. in swimming, a way of moving your straight legs quickly up and down in…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Flutter kick described in various sources, including dictionaries:

Flutter kick - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How to Flutter Kick: Improve Your Swimming & Freestyle

An expert-backed guide to help you master form, rhythm, and technique The flutter kick is a small but mighty and versatile move in swimming, whether you're competitive or just splashing around for fun. Perfecting the flutter kick just...

www.wikihow.com

flutter kick

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of flutter kick by The Free Dictionary

www.thefreedictionary.com

Both in comparison:

Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick in Swimming

Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick in Swimming. Swimming is a low-impact aerobic activity that provides a total body cardiovascular workout. When you're swimming, you use every large muscle group at the same time. To swim efficiently or in competition, it's important to coordinate your stroke with...

woman.thenest.com

A Handy Visual Guide: Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick

In order to swim in an efficient manner or while doing light exercises, it is required that you coordinate your stroke with a suitable kick. While some strokes make use of a flutter kick, only one employs the scissor kick. FitnessVigil discusses both these techniques in detail.

fitnessvigil.com

Flutter Kick vs. Scissor Kick

Flutter kick and Scissor kick are two popular leg movement of swimming. Flutter kick is more commonly used by the swimmers while executing freestyle stroke..

www.fitnesshealthzone.com

Buy Competition Swimsuits Online - Swimsuit Store & Swim Shop - Kiefer Aquatics

Buy competition swimsuits online with Kiefer Aquatics' wide selection from top brands. Shop training swimwear, tech suits, swim accessories, pool equipment & more today!

allamericanswim.com

8 Underwater Finning & Kicking Techniques - AquaViews (This is a diving source)

 

[tursiops]

Scissor kick described in various sources, including dictionaries:

What Is the Scissor Kick in Swimming?

The scissor kick is a lower-body movement that helps propel swimmers through the water. It is easy for beginners to learn because it requires only a simple opening and closing of your straightened legs to provide forward momentum. Used in combination with synchronized arm movements, the scissor...

www.sportsrec.com

Sidestroke Swimming Technique - Part 2

Explains the swimming technique of the sidestroke. Lots of pictures are used to illustrate the arm and leg movements.

www.enjoy-swimming.com

Scissor-kick definition in American English | Collins English Dictionary

Scissor-kick definition: a type of swimming kick used esp in the sidestroke , in which one leg is moved forward... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples in American English

www.collinsdictionary.com

https://www.wordnik.com/words/scissors%20kick

https://www.yourdictionary.com/scissor-kickhttps://www.lexico.com/en/definition/scissor_kick

scissor kick

1. in swimming, a way of moving your straight legs quickly up and down in…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Flutter kick described in various sources, including dictionaries:

Flutter kick - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How to Flutter Kick: Improve Your Swimming & Freestyle

An expert-backed guide to help you master form, rhythm, and technique The flutter kick is a small but mighty and versatile move in swimming, whether you're competitive or just splashing around for fun. Perfecting the flutter kick just...

www.wikihow.com

flutter kick

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of flutter kick by The Free Dictionary

www.thefreedictionary.com

Both in comparison:

Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick in Swimming

Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick in Swimming. Swimming is a low-impact aerobic activity that provides a total body cardiovascular workout. When you're swimming, you use every large muscle group at the same time. To swim efficiently or in competition, it's important to coordinate your stroke with...

woman.thenest.com

A Handy Visual Guide: Flutter Kick Vs. Scissor Kick

In order to swim in an efficient manner or while doing light exercises, it is required that you coordinate your stroke with a suitable kick. While some strokes make use of a flutter kick, only one employs the scissor kick. FitnessVigil discusses both these techniques in detail.

fitnessvigil.com

Flutter Kick vs. Scissor Kick

Flutter kick and Scissor kick are two popular leg movement of swimming. Flutter kick is more commonly used by the swimmers while executing freestyle stroke..

www.fitnesshealthzone.com

Buy Competition Swimsuits Online - Swimsuit Store & Swim Shop - Kiefer Aquatics

Buy competition swimsuits online with Kiefer Aquatics' wide selection from top brands. Shop training swimwear, tech suits, swim accessories, pool equipment & more today!

allamericanswim.com

8 Underwater Finning & Kicking Techniques - AquaViews (This is a diving source)

LOL. Nice try. But GUE has not endorsed any of those, so they are irrelevant.

 

[mcohen1021]

Why not just stay further up from the bottom and avoid kicking up the silt?