Tech Fins vs Recreational (Mares Quattro, etc.)

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Fins move you by moving water. The two primary factors that determine a fin's characteristics are stiffness and length. Stiff fins allow you to move water with relatively small movements which makes them more responsive than softer fins. Long fins allow you to move more water per kick which allows them to have greater peak thrust and speed.

I should note that good fin designers can extract greater efficiency through hydrodynamic tricks. These are mostly found in longer and softer fins (or just softer for standard Force Fins) and generally limited to flutter or dolphin kicks.

Tech divers typically are far more concerned about fine control and initial thrust than top speed. They also often dive in constricted spaces where long fins and large volumes of water movement from a kick are undesirable. This is why short, stiff fins dominate the tech diving world. IMO, since these fins are poorly suited for covering long distances, this is also why tech divers have eagerly adopted scooters.

Open water divers typically have different concerns. The ability to cover ground efficiently is more important than fine control. But there's still a huge spectrum in open water fins. At one end is still the tech fin which might be a good fit for a macro photographer who will do an entire dive in a small area and needs fine control to get and stay close to the subject without disturbing anything. At the other end are super long freediving fins for people who want to move quickly through the water column with minimal exertion.

So where do you want to be? Quattros are popular because they are fast, but stiff enough for decent control and even good initial thrust if your legs are strong enough. That's why they are very popular among open water DMs.

If you want finer control (and easier packing because they are shorter) without going all the way to tech fins, take a look at the ScubaPro Go Sport Gorilla and the Dive Rite XT.
 
thanks @lowwall
That seems like a great overview lesson

Now that I read that, I am remembering reading some of that many years ago. My memory is admittedly fuzzy on some of my tech training. It's funny, I don't remember my instructor ever really talking much about fins and finning, except to cover a bit of the obvious about not silting the place up! I did all of that training with my Quattros.

I knid of want more control ONLY because when I think about where I am knocking the rust off and diving with my kids... the diving in my near future will be what I used to consider to be very boring and so it came to mind the other day the one area that comes to mind where I could practice and improve to teach myself something more is in more advanced finning techniques.
+ I do remember feeling like the quattros are a bit long and in teh way.... the other day in the pool, and many times on various dives back in the day...so I was thiking taht while I don't really want to spend money needlessly right now, IF I do need to replace my fins I'd like to explore the thought and options....
I don't see myself ever doing any real tech stuff again...so it's really the compromise that I'd consider.
But what I'm learning here is that it's probably unnecessary. I should likely just stay with what I have and just accept that I'm not going to be able to perfect some of the control techniques with them.
Still, if I get a chance to try some of those Go Fins or Gorilla fins a definitely will!
 
Here is a factor that you should consider when getting advice at dive shops and from forums like this one. I made a small allusion to it in my first post, and I will go into it more thoroughly now.

When I adopted the ScubaPro Jet as my fin when I started tech diving, it was in large part because I was working as an instructor at a shop that sold ScubaPro gear. I got a good discount on it, and my employers would not have been happy with me using another company's fin.

When I became the tech instructor for another shop, I had to switch to Hollis, because that is what they agreed to sell for their targeted tech gear. I was still working for them when I decided I wanted a lighter fin for traveling and for side mount cave diving, and the Quattro + was the best option in their inventory. My side mount cave instructor highly recommended a Dive Rite fin instead, but there is no way I could have used it then.

I am retired as an instructor and so no longer get the discounts, and I no longer have a need to use something sold by my employer, but I also feel no compelling need to replace the gear I have now. So for much of my diving, you will see me wearing the ghost of employment past. It's fine gear, but if I had been working somewhere else, I would be using something else.
 
Fins move you by moving water. The two primary factors that determine a fin's characteristics are stiffness and length. Stiff fins allow you to move water with relatively small movements which makes them more responsive than softer fins. Long fins allow you to move more water per kick which allows them to have greater peak thrust and speed.

I should note that good fin designers can extract greater efficiency through hydrodynamic tricks. These are mostly found in longer and softer fins (or just softer for standard Force Fins) and generally limited to flutter or dolphin kicks.

Tech divers typically are far more concerned about fine control and initial thrust than top speed. They also often dive in constricted spaces where long fins and large volumes of water movement from a kick are undesirable. This is why short, stiff fins dominate the tech diving world. IMO, since these fins are poorly suited for covering long distances, this is also why tech divers have eagerly adopted scooters.

Open water divers typically have different concerns. The ability to cover ground efficiently is more important than fine control. But there's still a huge spectrum in open water fins. At one end is still the tech fin which might be a good fit for a macro photographer who will do an entire dive in a small area and needs fine control to get and stay close to the subject without disturbing anything. At the other end are super long freediving fins for people who want to move quickly through the water column with minimal exertion.

So where do you want to be? Quattros are popular because they are fast, but stiff enough for decent control and even good initial thrust if your legs are strong enough. That's why they are very popular among open water DMs.

If you want finer control (and easier packing because they are shorter) without going all the way to tech fins, take a look at the ScubaPro Go Sport Gorilla and the Dive Rite XT.

Wow, I agree with you almost 99%. First time!
 
I tend to not get involved in these threads because they tend to be unhelpful. I started with jets 54 years ago and if there were never any other options I could still be using them and never feel like I was lacking anything but…
I have a lot of fins because I like trying them out and see what actual improvement have been made, by switching fins I can usually determine what kicks they need pretty quickly and adjust to get what works for them and me and since I can adapt easily I really can’t say what will work for anyone else. I can tell you that almost any fin you get will work, there may be some out there that would work better or not, only your feet will know.

The best bet is to try several different fins if you can and choose that way.

For traveling fins that come apart have developed into some excellent options from Scuba Pro and TUSA.

For compact fins that travel well the SP Go and GoSport are really great, there are similar fins from several makers.

There are a lot of reviews here on SB, read them, find a shop of random fellow divers and if possible try them. If you can’t find loaners buy them from Amazon, see if they fit, try them in a pool and if you don’t like them send them back.
 
I don’t make a difference between technical and recreational diving for fins— it depends on your propulsion technique. If you mostly do frog, then I would recommend them. While they can be heavy, there are many types that are quite light and appropriate for tropical diving in a wet suit.
 
almost any fin you get will work
I forgot to pack my daughter’s fins once; so, we ran to the nearest shop and rented a pair. I’m pretty sure they had fished them out of a dumpster after some frustrated diver trashed them, then threw them into their rental fleet. I don’t think they even had a brand name on them. But they did have a large center of super floppy rubber on the blade that folded in half with every kick. Ended up towing her back to shore, cause I got tired of stopping to wait for her to inch forward
 
Dive Rite XT fins are wetsuit sports cars with immediate throttle response and rack and pinion steering.
 
I'm not in the market right now for fins, but I'm just wanting to wrap my head around it a bit for future reference. My Mares Quattro fins are very long in the tooth, and as I get back into diving after a couple decades, I have this nagging concern that my fins could potentially come apart at the seams between the plastic and elastomer bits. Elastomers get old and brittle, bonds break down, and all of that.... Mine still look and feel to be solid, but I'm bracing for an eventual and sudden need to buy new fins
When I was first certified, I bought the original version of the Cressi Frog fin. I was always struggling to keep up, and it wasn't untill my instructor lent me a pair of Quattros that i figured out that it was my fins. Wow, I felt like I jumped from a golf cart into a sports car! That was way back in the late 1990's and the old Quattros that I immediately bought have served me well. they're scratched up and you can tell they're old and well used, but they still seem solid and the still work great
If they're not broken, don't fix them.
I have been diving my Mares Quattro's for about 26 years and they are still going strong, I got a pair of the Mares bungee straps for them about 3 years ago and no problems.
 
I forgot to pack my daughter’s fins once; so, we ran to the nearest shop and rented a pair. I’m pretty sure they had fished them out of a dumpster after some frustrated diver trashed them, then threw them into their rental fleet. I don’t think they even had a brand name on them. But they did have a large center of super floppy rubber on the blade that folded in half with every kick. Ended up towing her back to shore, cause I got tired of stopping to wait for her to inch forward
And the first word was “almost”
 

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