First (and last) regulator

[BoltSnap]

How is it that those brands that believe in the right to repair aren’t flogged with never ending law suits?

Because they are a tiny drop in the ocean with very little sample space to make any conclusions.

 

[JohnN]

Hard to beat this deal

For Sale - Two HOG Regulator Sets - NEW

Two Hog Reg sets. I believe they are D1s but I can’t be 100% sure. Includes the 1st Stage, 2nd Stage and Braided hose. Never used. I bought them a few years ago with the intention of being used as deco sets, but that never happened. Now I’m just cleaning the house. Cost is $250 each which...

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You're getting an Apex clone at a fraction of the price

 

[L13]

Because they are a tiny drop in the ocean with very little sample space to make any conclusions.

They are big enough that if lawsuits for DIY were a thing, they would be put out of business by it.

 

[Lorenzoid]

They are big enough that if lawsuits for DIY were a thing, they would be put out of business by it.

But they are niche enough that (I would bet) far more of their regs are bought by highly motivated divers who are inclined to learn how to service the regs (or know enough that they will leave reg servicing to the pros) than by Joe Shmo Diver (to borrow from Stuart's characterization).

 

[BoltSnap]

They are big enough that if lawsuits for DIY were a thing, they would be put out of business by it.

Worldwide??? You have to get out of your shell inside the barbed wire in the US my friend

 

[eelnoraa]

Choosing the TFX would be primarily on the basis of having a very lightweight, corrosion-proof(-ish?) reg set that breathes REALLY well for packing to take on those Caribbean type trips. Other use (like teaching OW) would just be because that's what I have.


Well, yes, but he talked about having a service manual and kits in the box. Thus, any schmoe that buys one would have the manual and parts. I don't think the reason to not do THAT is strictly protectionism. It's to keep people who buy a reg from Leisure Pro from working on their stuff and killing themselves.

I am not sure if you own Atomic Ti reg currently. If you have them, and if you go measure the weight, you will find weight saving is minimal. First stage brass vs Ti different is about 6oz. 2nd stage different is about 1oz. Total saving on a set of reg, 1st+2x 2nd, 8oz. Nothing against Ti, I have some, just cannot use weight saving to justify the cost. LOL.

Not letting people to buy part for self service is absolutely 100% protectionism. first, it is not even difficult to DIY reg service. People who bought them know enough what to do. And the fact is people are buying them today, you don't see these diver perishing left and right kind of shows it isn't as dangerous as what we were told by the manufacturers

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

Because they are a tiny drop in the ocean with very little sample space to make any conclusions.

So you’re saying that the RTR (right to repair) companies are too small to be sued, but somebody like Scubapro is big enough to make it worth the cost and effort to sue them?

 

[L13]

Worldwide??? You have to get out of your shell inside the barbed wire in the US my friend

I have been out of the US shell. I grew up in Africa. Worldwide, the US is the most litigious country. If someone was going to sue because of botched DIY, it would be there. For a company like Deep6, it would only take one successful lawsuit to put them out of business. Given that they make DIY easy, you would think they would be hit by one of these suits if it was a thing. Internationally, particularly in the EU, the right to repair is more of a thing. This is why may US DIYers get their parts from the EU and other foreign suppliers. I have gotten SP OEM service kits from ScubaGaskets in the EU, but can't from any US supplier.

 

[Lorenzoid]

So you’re saying that the RTR (right to repair) companies are too small to be sued, but somebody like Scubapro is big enough to make it worth the cost and effort to sue them?

It may be that RTR dive gear companies have so far sold regs mostly to fairly knowledgeable divers through mostly word-of-mouth advertising, and the number of regs sold may have been a tiny fraction of all regs sold, even just in the US. Of that relatively small number of regs sold to relatively knowledgeable divers, how many have failed during a dive and injured the diver, and of those, how many had been serviced by the user? Maybe none. So it may not be surprising that an RTR dive gear company has not been sued on that basis.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

It may be that RTR dive gear companies have so far sold regs mostly to fairly knowledgeable divers through mostly word-of-mouth advertising, and the number of regs sold may have been a tiny fraction of all regs sold, even just in the US. Of that relatively small number of regs sold to relatively knowledgeable divers, how many have failed during a dive and injured the diver, and of those, how many had been serviced by the user? Maybe none. So it may not be surprising that an RTR dive gear company has not been sued on that basis.

Well, if my supply lines ever dry up for my fairly large fleet of Scubapro regs then maybe a company like Deep 6, Hog, or better yet DGX with their Xtra balanced piston reg might be on the horizon. Maybe smaller is better, they can fly under the radar.
I love my Scubapro’s but their parts games are more than I can take and I don’t like being treated like an imbecile. My thing is I don’t trust anybody else to work on my regs, but I’m tired of always looking for some clandestine source for contraband parts kits.
It makes me feel like a sleaze ball underworld criminal. They’ve done a pretty good job of sealing up parts but not good enough. There’s always the back mafia meeting room at Gino’s Bar or the dark web?
I just want to be able to buy parts freely and ligitimately. So far with my MK5’s and 109’s/108’s I can sort of do that with after market kits from various other sources. But time doesn’t stop and eventually they will be too old and obsolete and I will have to find something else.