Fire on safari boat Suzana in Egypt (Red Sea Aggressor)

[Wookie]

But seriously. Surprised not to see the elide ball on liveaboards. I’ve been asking all last/this year and it’s always met with a confused ‘a what’ ?

It’s a pretty simple solution IMO.

Xintex fireboy is the marine version. I have them everywhere, above every engine. I also have halon. I am no longer a liveaboard.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Xintex fireboy is the marine version. I have them everywhere, above every engine. I also have halon. I am no longer a liveaboard.

Would you (or what would you) recommend these for day charters?

 

[Mike Walker]

I remember someone on their site mentioned people who had their rebreather catch fire. While they were using it, underwater. I don't think it ended well. 100% O2 is fun stuff.

At some point one may have to accept that there is a higher power and that they have it in for you. On fire while underwater is that point for me.

I also have halon. I am no longer a liveaboard.

I've heard 100% of lawyers recommend against using the term 'collateral damage' while defending a wrongful death lawsuit....

(Although: "What's more important, the servers or your employees?" can be an excellent sales pitch.)

 

[Wookie]

Would you (or what would you) recommend these for day charters?

Inspected or uninspected? diesel or gasoline? With a generator and charging station or without?

See, there are no easy answers to any of this, and for me to definitively say that a fire suppression system would make a boat "safe" negates the materials of construction, the route of operation, and the use of the boat.

If I were to pick a "safe" boat, it would be built of an inherently non flammable material, steel or aluminum. It would have intrinsically safe marine wiring, and SOLAS engines so even if the fuel leaked, it wouldn't spray. I would want captain and crew to have a minimum of STCW training, and maybe advanced firefighting, advanced first aid provider, and lifeboat training. I would want the boat to be equipped with an automatic fire suppression system in any space where diesel fuel is stored or used, or where electricity is made or used. I'd want a SOLAS A pack for 200% of my passenger load, enough oxygen to keep 2 folks on O2 the whole ride home, an AED, and an advanced Trauma kit. And to train my crew in the use of all of it.

Fires happen at sea, they happen on the best of boats. They happen on Navy ships, on Coast Guard cutters, and on Liveaboard dive boats. It's what happens after the fire starts that makes or breaks a situation.

 

[Wookie]

And, it would never leave the dock or embark passengers.

 

[Schwob]

And, it would never leave the dock or embark passengers.

That will make it intrinsically safe indeed to those not embarked.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Inspected or uninspected?

On one hand I would hope that all boats would be inspected. But I don't see why that would matter. If you would, please explain.

diesel or gasoline?

Both. But most likely I'll have a diesel engine. So from your excerpt further down yes where diesel is stored/used.

With a generator and charging station or without?

Definitely without. But I think I'd still want one near the battery.

See, there are no easy answers to any of this, and for me to definitively say that a fire suppression system would make a boat "safe" negates the materials of construction, the route of operation, and the use of the boat.

If I were to pick a "safe" boat, it would be built of an inherently non flammable material, steel or aluminum. It would have intrinsically safe marine wiring, and SOLAS engines so even if the fuel leaked, it wouldn't spray. I would want captain and crew to have a minimum of STCW training, and maybe advanced firefighting, advanced first aid provider, and lifeboat training. I would want the boat to be equipped with an automatic fire suppression system in any space where diesel fuel is stored or used, or where electricity is made or used. I'd want a SOLAS A pack for 200% of my passenger load, enough oxygen to keep 2 folks on O2 the whole ride home, an AED, and an advanced Trauma kit. And to train my crew in the use of all of it.

Fires happen at sea, they happen on the best of boats. They happen on Navy ships, on Coast Guard cutters, and on Liveaboard dive boats. It's what happens after the fire starts that makes or breaks a situation.

All fair points. I'm not expecting that a fire suppression system will make a boat safe, but simply less unsafe. Noted on the other equipment. I'll be saving this info.

 

[Wookie]

When you get ready to actually buy a boat, Kosta, I shall be ready to visit in Greece.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

When you get ready to actually buy a boat, Kosta, I shall be ready to visit in Greece.

You'll be welcome anytime. I am not the smartest guy in the room, but I'm smart enough to know to listen to people with years of experience in doing things right and to also pay attention to those who do things wrong. Replicate/imitate the one and not the other.

 

[rjack321]

Inspected or uninspected? diesel or gasoline? With a generator and charging station or without?

See, there are no easy answers to any of this, and for me to definitively say that a fire suppression system would make a boat "safe" negates the materials of construction, the route of operation, and the use of the boat.

If I were to pick a "safe" boat, it would be built of an inherently non flammable material, steel or aluminum. It would have intrinsically safe marine wiring, and SOLAS engines so even if the fuel leaked, it wouldn't spray. I would want captain and crew to have a minimum of STCW training, and maybe advanced firefighting, advanced first aid provider, and lifeboat training. I would want the boat to be equipped with an automatic fire suppression system in any space where diesel fuel is stored or used, or where electricity is made or used. I'd want a SOLAS A pack for 200% of my passenger load, enough oxygen to keep 2 folks on O2 the whole ride home, an AED, and an advanced Trauma kit. And to train my crew in the use of all of it.

Fires happen at sea, they happen on the best of boats. They happen on Navy ships, on Coast Guard cutters, and on Liveaboard dive boats. It's what happens after the fire starts that makes or breaks a situation.

A lot of what @Wookie said is laid out in NFPA publication 302. Whether this is an "adequate" standard is probably debatable but you really do need to dig into the materials, construction, wiring, grounding, fuel type etc etc and not just look at fire extinguishing system as a savior. If you register you can read the whole 80 page standard here
NFPA 302: Fire Protection Standard for Pleasure and Commercial Motor Craft

Its also cited in US regulations so in theory it has the force of law.