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I agree with many thoughts here but let me add seriously (if I may) that newer divers coming to this forum may like it when people jump in with opinions that may seem old and tired or pushy to those of us who have read and been envolved with them again and again. This board is, at times, designed to offer a person opinions and the people that ask questions probably want those opinions expressed otherwise they wouldn't ask those lovely questions that might bug all of us. The real fix to the solution is to NOT respond to these questions if... they... bug... you..OH CRUD! I just responded. LOL.

Okay. No more rsponding to these...oh crud, doing it again...must stop..now.......................wqeihjrwrtwtryv.qer...........q34tbnn...aaaahhhhh....asfergt....
 
Good point Scubadobadoo, As time goes by, and new members arrive, the same question is bound to come up over and over. If they offend...don't read them. Could you image a third grade teacher saying "I'm tired of being asked how to make a cursive Z". It goes with the territory. Just like the "use the search" replies that are always thrown out. It's a discussion board for sakes. Let people post and discuss as intended (like we are doing now).

Jason
 
Michael Schlink:
I may be an anomaly-I dive split fins AND jet fins and I dive with a traditional BCD, a TransPacII AND BP/Wing, Oceanic, ScubaPro and Atomic regs.-I want my own forum- titled " Not quite DIR but close except when I don't want to"
When I see someone pushing an opinion pretty hard I usually take a look at their profile that will tell me if I need to pay attention to their opinion.
There are divers giving opinions that have less total dives than I made this summer.
There are divers giving opinions with very limited experience in anything more than 1 type of diving.
Yes they are entitled to their opinion, it just doesn't carry much weight.
Choose your mentors carefully. JUST MY OPINION-M

Amen, bro! I love to dive--and match my gear for the day to the conditions, my mood, and my goals.

I dive splits, rockets, and Rondines; BP/W, back-inflate BCs and a jacket BC; doubles, steel singles with H-valve, single al 80s; bungeed safe second, standard octo, Spare Air, stage bottles.

I hope I was able to make as many dives this summer as did you, but wouldn't bet on it.

But Dude, you mean, some of the strongly-worded opinions on this board come from divers with very little experience? Why would you even suspect this? How could you tell? Hope I can get this figured out before some of my poor gear selections kill me. ;)

theskull
 
theskull:
But Dude, you mean, some of the strongly-worded opinions on this board come from divers with very little experience? Why would you even suspect this? How could you tell? Hope I can get this figured out before some of my poor gear selections kill me. ;)

theskull

It's no different than listening to "strongly-worded" opinions by a DM or an :censored: who's got 1000's of dives under his "very experienced" belt extolling the virtues of split fins and a $600.00 ScubaPro Classic bc. When in reality, all his experience comes from doing 40' sessions of watching students sit on their knees and remove and replace their masks.

Edited by NetDoc
 
I have tried a lot of equipment over the years and had a BP/W for a while. It is now my sons, who is a Navy seal and hard core diver (Seals do not even use BP/W). While I totally believe that if you are doing tec, deep or cave diving the BP/W is the way to go, it's not the only way.

For versatility, I think the BP/W is great. One rig many uses. For me, I only do recreational diving and will not be doing anything else in my time on this ride. So for me, I use a back inflate Mares Morphos BC which is a wonder to use. Everything I need and more.

To me there is no argument, dive what you like and what you need for the type of diving you are doing. Do your homework, get your training and practice your skills. Just dive smart and dive safe. Leave the mine is better than your to the mental midgets.

For me diving is spiritual and done with care and love for the undersea environment. In all of the places that I have dived, no one has ever cared what I dived just as long as I dove safe and did no harm. I believe those are the important things.

So, dive what you need and like for your type of diving and take care of your brother divers, whatever they use. It's all about the love of diving.

Dive Smart; Dive Safe
Enjoy the ride
 
Thankfully it's a BIG board and there are LOTS of topics. But we do have a reputation for being way pro-BP/Wing.

However, I think that an actual poll of our user base would show that the majority of us use a traditional or back inflate BCs much of the time.

So why the big slant towards BP/Wings on our forum? I honestly feel that many who PREFER a traditional/back inflate are reluctant to be labled by an over zealous few. Look at one of the previous posts; I just "censored" someone trying to slip a variant of the "S" word into the discussion. For some reason, many see the outright rejection of their "Holy Grail" of diving as tantamount to being a "poser". IOW, they can't accept that looking at the same data, people have come up with a different solution or conclusion.

In reality, it's really NOT about safety... it's about preference. The tool does not make the mechanic. But the mechanic DOES make the tool. I can be just as trimmed and neutrally buoyant in my Chute II as I can in any of my BP/Wings (I own 4). What's more it's far more comfy and easier to get into. Would I take it into an overhead environment? Well, I have and it did fine. It's not suitable for doubles though and so I change over when diving those.

So I would suggest that those who are "pro" BP/W be a bit more circumspect in their posting habits. Maybe even PM the user a link to your favorite BP/W thread instead of an actual post. No, I am not trying to stop all controversey on the subject, but I would just like to see some of the "snobbery" stop. Am I spitting into the wind? Probably, but it's worth a shot if we can make this a bit friendlier and more open for ALL types of divers... even for those who prefer stab jackets and splits.
 
overexposed2X:
It seems to me that there are many people that dislike being told that BCD's - jackets and back inflate devices are not good. Many people can't stand being told that there is a better way of buoyancy control than the system that they have come to know. True?

Not true.

People dislike being told the the BP/W is better because it's extremely subjective, and, frankly, smacks of a fad. Many people would find a BC more physically comfortable on the shoulders and back, just as easy or easier to trim depending on the model, more utilitarian due to intergrated weight systems and pocket options. I doubt many will debate that a stab jacket rides better on the surface.

The BP/W forces difficult decisions on weighting and accessory pockets.

Weight belts truly suck, but not as much as ACBs.

Also, people who are perfectly satisfied with their BCs don't know why they should run out and spend 6-800 bucks on something you insist but can't justify that they need. The vast majority of divers will never dive doubles.

overexposed2X:
Most of the people that are quick to state that you should use a BP/wing are doing so because they have experienced all different types of BCD's, wasted a lot of money, got frustrated and then finally decided to try a wing. They finally found the right system for diving and then try to inform others to keep them from making the same mistakes. Why would we wish a person to suffer in the same way as ourselves?

I'd say they should learn what a good BC is, and how to dive one.

This BC, for $349, will spank the pants off a BP/W (and most BCs) for just about any single tank dive:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2DD528D9

It has the best intergrated weight system I've seen, and has great pockets.

The price speaks for itself.

overexposed2X:
My question to those of you who don't dive a BP/W is: Have you ever tried one?

I've offered to ship mine to Australia for someone to try. But the problem is, you don't find them under trees, and many LDSs dis them from ignorance or lack of inventory. I suspect many people had poorly designed and ill-fitting BC, and the dig their new BP/W because it's shiny and new. What "real" divers use <snicker>.

overexposed2X:
So please, honestly and objectively tell me why you don't like a BP/W. I hope it's one based on direct knowledge and not hearsay.

I have 400 dives on BCs and 600 on BP/W. The only reason the BC got surveyed was because after trying Halcyon, Scubapro and Diverite wings, I took the wing off my BC because I liked it better.

But the weight belt, long hose and crotch strap are simply unneccesary for a lot of diving, and it's nice to have intergrated weights and QR shoulder straps once in a while.
 
Man, I've had things on my BP hang up on fishing line. On recreational dives on recs. I'd hate to have a regular POSER TECH BC on and a console swimming behind me on one side and an octo behind me on the other side.

I've gotten hooked on reef dives too. Where fishing line was strewn out.

I've seen divers trying to swim away while there octo was hung up on a rock. Multiple times.

And, being more comfortable on the surface in a regular jacket. Not me. I can inflate mine and lay on top like a couch. I'm more comfortable that way. And without blowing it all the way up. I just hang at the surface like everyone else.

I like a crotch strap. Keeps my bc from moving. Used them on my old BC also. And I like the weight belt. It is a pain. But putting on a BC with 20lbs in the pockets is a pain also. In fact. More of a pain then a weight belt.

If you like a standard BC great. But there are definately some problems you need to know about. When letting your Console and octo fly behind you...
 
How many of you actually have to dive with weights? I need a couple of pounds when I am wearing a 3 mil in salt and only have an AL80. But I never need them in fresh or with my steel tanks (single or double)(even with my dry suit). I'm not even sure where my weight belt lives any more!
 
NetDoc:
How many of you actually have to dive with weights? I need a couple of pounds when I am wearing a 3 mil in salt and only have an AL80. But I never need them in fresh or with my steel tanks (single or double)(even with my dry suit). I'm not even sure where my weight belt lives any more!

I was in fresh water Saturday with my DiveRite SS backplate, an AL80, in a Henderson XXXL 5mm wetsuit (I'm 6'6", 290 lbs, 52" chest) and only needed 6 lbs of weight in my belt. Of course, when the tank is full, I don't need any weight at all.
 

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