Diving "Etiquette" and the lack thereof

[300bar]

It sounds like the hose had just pulled off the fitting - something absolutely trivial to resolve once you know where to look. Even if the hose had torn it was just a case of putting the opening at the lowest point and using the BC as a lift bag.

Any interesting pics/video's for this.
Sounds all very nice but I need to see HOW that will be done.
Guess you suggest inflating a BC,with a alt.air while the corrugated hose has been broken.
Lets see,hose broke at shoulder,dumpvalve(steel) cable still in place.
You're going to hang head down and put ait in the BC with your alt.air.

Just trying to figure out HOW to do this.

 

[Pelagicsal]

Confirmed chick-diver here, though I can't seem to muster any more sympathy than you boys...


I'm in the camp of them going back for more training, truly diving independently, taking an equipment course, learning to stay together, and most of all, learning to take responsibility for their own screw-ups.

 

[spectrum]

Lots to learn if you read in between all the pissy and petty comments... I can almost see the men pounding their chests and grunting... it's comical...

I'll keep reading your postings but I'm done responding. This has turned into a pissing match... and since I don't play that game - - have fun everyone!

JoyfulLee

Congratulations to you and your husband on a good dive..... please read on.

My definition of a good dive is one in which:
1. Nobody got hurt
2. All of the gear came back
3. You learned something This has huge potential if you are open to it.

I will say that I have never made a true drift dive but I have to believe there is a method to making these dives that allows a buddy pair to make a synchronized commencement. Unless you are doing so and maintaining contact throughout the dive it is a solo dive. Not knowing the intensity of the current I will accept that swimming back to locate your husband was not an option.

My first reaction to the other diver leaving your husband was aligned with yours. However as others pointed out that diver had the responsibility of his buddy and your husband did not appear to be in a life threatening situation.

My change in perception shines the light on the magic of ScubaBoard. The board works much like moot court where positions are made, explained and disputed. it may be messy at times and not every poster is a diplomacy corps candidate. Just as I changed my mind some statements made above may just plain be wrong and you do need to sort though that. This is an internet forum and all of us are opining based on your largely second hand account of what happened down there. I will say that the vast majority of those that have posted have demonstrated a long term commitment to sharing their best knowledge and experience with divers here.

I hope both you and your husband will review this thread and revisit this dive and some of your methods. I'm sure there are some opportunities for improvement. Doing so could make it a great dive.

Pete

 

[scubamickey]

Female poster confirmed. Maybe some other lady divers would like to help out here since we don't speak girl talk?

Yeah, learning is the thing here. We like it to be fun, but most of all do learn.

Nothing to say here DandyDon. You are dealing with an OP that (it seems to me based on the responses) never learned how to take criticism-even constructive. It's easier to just make a sexist remark and say that it's just "men" pounding their chests. Whatever.

The OP is someone that I would never dive with. Not because of the apparent incredible lack of situational awareness and dive skill-we all go through that stage; but rather because of the lack of ability to understand what the errors were that were made by her and her so called buddy. Someone with that attitude will never learn and will remain a danger to herself, her buddy, and anyone foolish enough to dive with her.

When I first started diving my buddy (husband, DM, long time diver, GUE, etc) was very hard on me. He made me learn things that weren't taught in my PADI OW and AOW class. Made me learn to use the same level of awareness underwater, that I have on the surface. Made me learn to dive within a few arm lengths as opposed to behind him. I use the word "made" because it wasn't something that came easy to me at first and he gave me a choice. If I was going to continue diving with him then I had to become competent and able to assist him in an emergency. As opposed to causing the emergency myself. It was the nicest thing anyone has ever done for me.

How's that for a sensitive comment from a chick diver .

 

[C-stone]

Agreed.

JoyfulLee everyone who psoted on this thread has taken time out of their day to somehow, hopefully, teach you something that could make you a better safer diver. Even if people were harsh and disagreed we all were doing it with you in mind. A few people gave you the benifit of the doubt but your last post was both sexist and belittling.

On your behalf I would like to thank everyone who gave constructive feedback. Something you should have done instead calling it comical.

 

[InTheDrink]

JFL,

Two things:
1. You've gotten a lot of good advice here - lap it up, it's good stuff.
2. You've also learnt what some people on the board are like. Walter's a gruff old bastard but has useful things to (selectively ) say. And plenty others who's BC's aren't chisled from stone (the newer people here have tin and bronze BCs).

Don't let personality get in the way of good lessons. The people that have asked you to look inside yourself aren't doing it to make you look ****. They're doing it for two reasons only:

1. So you can learn and avoid similar situations in the future
2. So others can learn same too

Oh and 3) so they can show off how much they know

 

[Thalassamania]

Lots to learn if you read in between all the pissy and petty comments... I can almost see the men pounding their chests and grunting... it's comical...

What's comical is your reaction to something rather rarely seen here, damn near complete unanimity amongst many of the most experienced divers on ScubaBoard. That should be a clue to you.

I'll keep reading your postings but I'm done responding. This has turned into a pissing match... and since I don't play that game - - have fun everyone!

Pissing match? Holly ego Batgirl ... do you really think you're equipped to take on even the least experieinced of those who tried to advise you?

 

[Bratface]

Another female diver responds: Joyful, girlfriend, it seems that you are the one who has gotten all "pissy" and defensive. You put it out there and you got answers you weren't expecting. Scuba is not a sugar-coated sport. I'm not saying your man had a bozo moment, but I do believe you are over-reacting to what you perceive to be another diver who failed to help. I agree with other posters, you should have been with your buddy. Don't take it personally, but use the information as a learning experience. With only 40 dives, you have so much more to learn. Don't let the big boys run you off, they really do offer good advice. Be open-minded enough to accept it.

 

[Splitlip]

Read what I posted agian mikestp. I clearly stated that the assisting diver should not leave his buddy but singnal his buddy that they are going to help a diver having problems.

I am not going to argue semantics here. My point, which I clearly stated was my opinion, is:

If you see a diver having problems the correct course of action is to signal YOUR dive buddy to follow you over and assist said diver having problems.

Jupiter diver here with one small point which may have relevance. The current is often much too fast to swim against. Buddies hook up when one stops, takes finger or gets low. The up stream buddy drifts to the down stream buddy.

So if the "*******" diver needed to get to a downstream buddy, it would be his move. Not his buddy's.

 

[fairybasslet]

I really don't think this is a female vs. male issue. I think this has more to do with attitude, how much responsibility one takes for oneself, one's willingness to learn from their mistakes, indeed, to even admit a mistake happened.