Diving "Etiquette" and the lack thereof

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Good info was given indeed.
But the way of delivery.:shakehead:

SB is intended to be a userfriendly board,can't say the friendly part comes up sofar.


So maybe we should be issued "kid-gloves" before our first post on SB then. I see much of what has been posted here as "to the point" and for the most part simply not in-line with what the OP WANTED to hear. How is that our fault? If somebody posts wanting people to agree that the sky is in the center of the earth...do we need to agree just so we are being nice? There has been no flaming here IMO and there has been nothing overly aggressive. The OP just comes back with song lyrics showing absolutely NO INTEREST in the top quality advice being given in their thread.
 
Agreed, I have said nothing that I would not say to my own students who pay me and sometimes don't expect my bluntness. But I've yet to have one say I was wrong in what I told them and they do remember it!
 
Wow! I'm amazed at how equipment failure turns into misdeeds. And I'm also amazed at how a post, which I wrote very carefully, turns into blaming others.

Feel free to elaborate on the eqipment failure. We really are interested in the facts.

From what you posted the issue was a faulty inflator. No experienced diver would give a moments toss to a problem such as that. It would require a minor adjustment and nothing more.

What was the real problem during the dive?
 
This is funny since no one was hurt. "Lee and I are both independent divers so I was certain we'd connect somewhere along the drift dive." :shocked2: Darwin candidate or do you already have children?
Your friend Jim, on the other hand, is not exactly a kind person in the way he responded.
I think Jim saw that you need to be informed before you two kill yourselves with rationalizations. It's nice to be friendly here, but you seem much more intent on your useless ranting than any learning.

Kudo to Walter for being so nice. He's a real ladies' gentleman. :thumb:
You created a very long post blaiming others for the miss-deeds of you and your buddy.

You both were at fault for that problem.

But don't stress. Everyone starts in a place such as that.

Keep diving and asking questions.
That was nicely put. :thumb:
Wow! I'm amazed at how equipment failure turns into misdeeds. And I'm also amazed at how a post, which I wrote very carefully, turns into blaming others.
Duh? :silly: From the thread title (which you cannot change without Mod assistance) and your post it seems pretty evident that you attempted to blame the Diver Lacking Etiquette for the problems arising from your combined screw-ups.
Yes, I'm a fairly new diver with close to 40 dives under my belt. What I guess I'm not is thick-skinned enough to deal with argumentative comments. I want to learn as I love the sport. But I'd prefer to learn without people being mean in how they "teach" me with their commentary and prose. Don't get me wrong, some of the comments have been quite insightful while others have been downright combative. Those types of comments make me wish I never posted my comments.
This is a discussion board. If you want to post blog rants without comments, we don't have that feature.
FYI - to those who've asked - while Lee was descending due to equipment failure that I was unaware of, I was on the surface struggling to get down. By the time I got to the bottom, I assumed the current had taken him on with the group and I quickly tried to catch up and find him. Perhaps I should have stated that from the beginning of my post but I did not see it to be relevant.
Very relevant, as otherwise it seems like you had simply blown off your own responsibilities. Still, your "independent diving" is not how you were trained was it, and I think re-learning Buddy Skills 101 are in order.
Apparently no matter how I would state it, some of you lofty, more experienced divers would find a problem with what is written and a way to poke holes in it. Cest la vie...
No, rationalizations don't float here. It's a real sport; people die from it - often from a combination of gear problems and bad reactions, and your recounting here rings too many familiar warning bells. If we didn't know that you were a female poster, it could have gone much worse in the thread.

BTW, I am posting as a maverick attitude diver as well who learned to admit my mistakes better in this same sub-forum. I'm not suggesting something I haven't done myself. You'll learn much more off of your high horse than riding it.
 
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I would rather have this discussion in the incidents subsection and folks not like it rather than have it the accident subsection and have someone say I saw these new divers acting basically like solo divers on a drift dive, I really wish I WOULD HAVE SAID something, may be it WOULD HAVE SAVED their life.

I hate going out for a nice dive, hike, climb, ride and finding gear after an accident - which is what I ended up doing last weekend.

Also please give more information - for instance it was not until your third or forth post that you mentioned when the equipment problem occurred. What you think does not matter may really matter. Give us a complete story otherwise we fill in the blanks how we best feel they should be.


BTW - how should a diver react to any incident whether they are rendering assistance or having the problem? Make sure it is fully resolved before doing anything else. And remember it is only a problem if it can not be fixed.
 
Feel free to elaborate on the eqipment failure. We really are interested in the facts.

From what you posted the issue was a faulty inflator. No experienced diver would give a moments toss to a problem such as that. It would require a minor adjustment and nothing more.

What was the real problem during the dive?

It sounded ("read") like a pull dump that was pulled off.
 
You'll learn much more off of your high horse than riding it.

A tough skill. A person comes in thinking they will get sympathy and then finds out that they are partially (or fully) to blame is a tough pill to swallow.

Perhaps after some reflection, it will become clear.


Her best response right now would be to walk away from the keyboard and come back after some inner reflection.
 
Wow!

Ok I just finished reading every post on here so far. To all you people who say you are not here to be nice just trying to give advice to save your life etc. I would sugest taking a look at this thread again and see that while your advice has been good and very valid it was delivered in a way that offended the OP. As an instructor myself I realized that all people learn in different ways. Being harsh blunt and condescending as I have seen in this post is clearly not benifiting the person in need of the advice. In fact from what I have seen the only people benifiting from it are the poeple giving it. Then when it was obvious that the OP had gotten her back up, right or wrong, people thought a good way to "instruct" was to dig in their heels and be even more blunt/harsh. In my personal and professional oppinion a very poor example of instruction.

I am sure if put in a better way the OP would have been able to identify thier mistakes in this incedent which have already been pointed out to exhaustion.

Facts of the matter:

Yes they should have done a buddy check
Yes they should have decended together
Yes it seems he was over weighted

Another fact of the matter was that he ended up on the bottom without his buddy and with an equipment failure. Another diver came and pointed out that his inflator hose had come loose and then swam off.

To answer the OP question that diver, in my opinion, did the wrong thing also. If you see another diver having difficulty under water it is your duty as a good diver and a human being to try to help them out. The assisting diver should have signaled his buddy to come over and help also. That is like seeing someone pulled over with a flat tire and stopping to tell them they have a flat tire then driving off. Is it an emergency? No, but it still makes them an a$$hole.
 
@ C-stone,

You got the point I was making,normaly I'm known as one of few words(must be my Dutch intake on things):D
 
It sounded ("read") like a pull dump that was pulled off.

More like a corrugated(?)hose failing/breaking or something like that.
 

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