Diver Death in Cayman

[tiggrr]

All that distance and expense to the Caymans for 22 minute dives? No thank you. I'll go elsewhere.

That's not true.

I dove on the East End with Ocean Frontiers.

They had guided dives with 2 DM's per group and usually 2 groups. 1 DM in front and 1 in back of the group. You, however had a choice whether to go with the group or not. The majority of sites were very easy to navigate minus finding all the swim thrus. If you chose to go guided, when you came back to the boat, you could play around until you were ready to come up.

So, you could do your own profiles.

 

[fosterboxermom]

PADI 5 STAR (Not from me got it from a good source)

It is not a rating. It's an advertising gimmick.

Prerequisites & Requirements With my comments in blue. Yes they are my opinions; accept or reject them as you please.

1. Have been a renewed PADI Dive Center for at least 12 months and have no verified PADI Quality Assurance violations within that period and no open quality assurance inquires in progress.

This means you've been paying dues for at least a year and haven't been caught violating standards.


2. Continue to meet all PADI Dive Center prerequisites and membership requirements.

You can't fall below the standards we set for those to whom we don't give 5 stars.

3. Have been awarded all three Dive Center Recognition Awards including: 1) Education, You get this for churning out lots of students (quality doesn't count, only numbers. It is important to keep students returning for more classes). You also must give all your business to PADI. You must buy all the training materials PADI sells. You can't win this award if you've been caught violating standards. 2) Community Involvement You sponsor 2 events. One promotes diving, the other promotes diver safety. 3)Environment. You get this by displaying Project AWARE info, include environmental info in newsletters, sponsor a beach cleanup, install a mooring buoy or sponsor a project that generates information about the aquatic environment. Teach a course on Peak Performance Buoyancy (a BS course IMHO), U/W Naturalist, Project AWARE or Research Diver.

4. Distribute regular communications pieces designed to recruit & retain customers.

Advertise

5. Conduct at least one PADI Advanced O/W course, one PADI Rescue Dive course, one PADI DM or AI course and one PADI Specialty Diver course per year

Keep that $ coming.

6. Have issued at least 30% of total diver certifications for courses above the PADI O/W level.

7. Display items promoting dive travel, and promote dive experiences through various activities.

8. Conduct nontraining related local dive tours and/or dive travel trips.

9. Exclusively issue and advertise only PADI certifications for recreational scuba diving courses.

We don’t make any money when you issue cards from other agencies. We want all your business.

10. Not conduct, sponsor or advertise any non PADI recreational scuba instructor training programs.

See # 9.

11. Use the PADI system of diver education as designed, including all PADI manuals……..

You gotta buy all our stuff.

12. Ensure that all full-service dive operations in a multi-location operation are current PADI ……(various types of PADI facilities are listed)

We want dues from everybody you work with.

 

[GaryLee]

How about these words: Pam's Words

Human caring & compassion dictates some sense of responsibility to our fellow human beings, whether it is in the job description or not. I find some of the comments reluctant to acknowledge that we are all responsible for ourselves & our safety but under circumstances such as diving--when diving with a professional tasked to keep you safe as well as guide you through 'cool stuff', it seems to me that basic human to human caring will be there as well. And when it is clear that someone hasn't the experience then extra care & concern is a human expectation, at least to me.

I hate to say this because it's an emotive subject but I will anyway.
How about your training: A PADI Open Water diver is told time and time again during lectures, quizes, knowledge reviews, videos and a final exam of their depth limits and their responsibility. It is theirs.

I know that some people cant pick up on a single aspect of it but I can tell you when it comes to looking at the victims knowledge reviews and his final exam he got the question right that asked him the depth for his experience.

So when he says he is going to go deeper because of the experience and at 58, I'd like to know why?

 

[GaryLee]

PADI 5 STAR (Not from me got it from a good source)

It is not a rating. It's an advertising gimmick.

Prerequisites & Requirements With my comments in blue. Yes they are my opinions; accept or reject them as you please.

1. Have been a renewed PADI Dive Center for at least 12 months and have no verified PADI Quality Assurance violations within that period and no open quality assurance inquires in progress.

This means you've been paying dues for at least a year and haven't been caught violating standards.


2. Continue to meet all PADI Dive Center prerequisites and membership requirements.

You can't fall below the standards we set for those to whom we don't give 5 stars.

3. Have been awarded all three Dive Center Recognition Awards including: 1) Education, You get this for churning out lots of students (quality doesn't count, only numbers. It is important to keep students returning for more classes). You also must give all your business to PADI. You must buy all the training materials PADI sells. You can't win this award if you've been caught violating standards. 2) Community Involvement You sponsor 2 events. One promotes diving, the other promotes diver safety. 3)Environment. You get this by displaying Project AWARE info, include environmental info in newsletters, sponsor a beach cleanup, install a mooring buoy or sponsor a project that generates information about the aquatic environment. Teach a course on Peak Performance Buoyancy (a BS course IMHO), U/W Naturalist, Project AWARE or Research Diver.

4. Distribute regular communications pieces designed to recruit & retain customers.

Advertise

5. Conduct at least one PADI Advanced O/W course, one PADI Rescue Dive course, one PADI DM or AI course and one PADI Specialty Diver course per year

Keep that $ coming.

6. Have issued at least 30% of total diver certifications for courses above the PADI O/W level.

7. Display items promoting dive travel, and promote dive experiences through various activities.

8. Conduct nontraining related local dive tours and/or dive travel trips.

9. Exclusively issue and advertise only PADI certifications for recreational scuba diving courses.

We donÃÕ make any money when you issue cards from other agencies. We want all your business.

10. Not conduct, sponsor or advertise any non PADI recreational scuba instructor training programs.

See # 9.

11. Use the PADI system of diver education as designed, including all PADI manuals©å..

You gotta buy all our stuff.

12. Ensure that all full-service dive operations in a multi-location operation are current PADI ©å(various types of PADI facilities are listed)

We want dues from everybody you work with.

No Point to this post at all

 

[pilot fish]

No Point to this post at all

Uh, gary, what time is it in England where you are right now? um, you are getting up at 5 am, right? :laughing:

 

[GaryLee]

Really.....

Nice
So now you cant take other people replying to your posts when you are wrong
and you are wrong.
not because I say so but because it isn't fact.
If you would like to call PADI to quantify this, PM me and I'll give you the number and name post haste

 

[fosterboxermom]

I hate to say this because it's an emotive subject but I will anyway.
How about your training: A PADI Open Water diver is told time and time again during lectures, quizes, knowledge reviews, videos and a final exam of their depth limits and their responsibility. It is theirs.

I know that some people cant pick up on a single aspect of it but I can tell you when it comes to looking at the victims knowledge reviews and his final exam he got the question right that asked him the depth for his experience.

So when he says he is going to go deeper because of the experience and at 58, I'd like to know why?

First tell me why a OWI which is two levels above a DM took a new diver to that depth? Isn't that the real question?

 

[worthicm]

I'm so very sorry for such an unnecessary loss.

I was recently certified by Red Sail Sports on Grand Cayman Island and was very impressed with their professional behavior and focus on safety. I'm also unaware of the dive laws in Grand Cayman, but hate to see Red Sail and the great crew of divers there be black-listed along with those who may have caused this tragedy.

I truly hope the investigation comes to a quick and accurate result.

 

[fosterboxermom]

Nice
So now you cant take other people replying to your posts when you are wrong
and you are wrong.
not because I say so but because it isn't fact.
If you would like to call PADI to quantify this, PM me and I'll give you the number and name post haste

You don't think I have those names and numbers. I have them on speed dial my friend. You are just trying to defend an organization that pumps out students without the proper training. Put them on conveyor belts. Give them a computer and do it online. That will teach them Hey, I'll bet next PADI will have CD's you can listen to while you sleep and you will be certified in a couple of nights.

 

[GaryLee]

Uh, gary, what time is it in England where you are right now? um, you are getting up at 5 am, right? :laughing:

yep, it's 2 am now and I am up at 5am
no sleep for me tonight
Damn it"