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[acxc]

The experience before ccr debate is whatever, but the "proved them wrong" line really bums me out. I hope this person's instructor called them and had a long talk after this post. Worst case, this type is usually out of diving and onto the next sport within three years.

 

[steinbil]

Worst case, this type is usually out of diving because of a fatal accident

Fixed your post

 

[Whitrzac]

Fixed your post

Most ccr accidents I've read have all been lifelong divers with thousands of dives.

The 3 friends I've lost all fit that category.

The poptarts that are newish and doing insane dives always seem to survive.(240ft solo on air on a ccr type stuff)

 

[steinbil]

Most ccr accidents I've read have all been lifelong divers with thousands of dives.

The 3 friends I've lost all fit that category.

The poptarts that are newish and doing insane dives always seem to survive.(240ft solo on air on a ccr type stuff)

I wonder if that's simply caused by the number of dives - it's statistically more likely to happen in the group of divers that dive the most. Of course, complacency or average complexity or exposure of the dives might play a part. In any case, with a more widespread use of CCR for recreational divers with very little experience, I wouldn't be shocked to see the numbers of fatalities within recreational limits go up. In any case, a "worst case" scenario is hardly someone leaving the sport.

Anyways, sorry for your losses.

 

[Rilelen]

I wonder if that's simply caused by the number of dives - it's statistically more likely to happen in the group of divers that dive the most. Of course, complacency or average complexity or exposure of the dives might play a part. In any case, with a more widespread use of CCR for recreational divers with very little experience, I wouldn't be shocked to see the numbers of fatalities within recreational limits go up. In any case, a "worst case" scenario is hardly someone leaving the sport.

Anyways, sorry for your losses.

Yes - reminds of the shift in stats showing that most cave diving accidents today occur among trained and certified cave divers. Because so many people have training today, and most cave dives are conducted by certified cave divers, most accidents happen to them. But the relative risk of something bad happening to a new brand open water diver swimming into the cave at Royal is still massively higher than it is for a trained/highly experienced cave diver.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see a similar swing towards higher incident rates among recreational CCR divers as that more "at-risk" demographic grows.

 

[mr_v]

There is also hope that the "proved them wrong diver" learns that CCR diving matures in reverse. You're "perfect" after 20 hours but after a few hundred or so, you realize that you're still green and learning.

 

[Mobulai]

There is also hope that the "proved them wrong diver" learns that CCR diving matures in reverse. You're "perfect" after 20 hours but after a few hundred or so, you realize that you're still green and learning.

I feel like the grinch here at 21h

 

[nadwidny]

There is also hope that the "proved them wrong diver" learns that CCR diving matures in reverse. You're "perfect" after 20 hours but after a few hundred or so, you realize that you're still green and learning.

That is just total nonsense as anyone with a few hundred or so would know.

 

[AeroSpartacus]

That is just total nonsense as anyone with a few hundred or so would know.

Which part are you referring to? I definitely didn't think I was perfect at 20 hours but honestly I've always had the outlook that I never stop learning even after hundreds of dives (or an admittedly small ~60 CCR hours)

 

[mr_v]

That is just total nonsense as anyone with a few hundred or so would know.

Relax, it is just a saying... like the more you know, the more you don't know.