Dive Talk Go Rebreather

[rddvet]

Let's be clear though, Kiss is no longer owned by Mike Young and is now owned by the Darkwater Group which also owns X-Deep and Seal drysuits.

I'm aware and notated it vaguely in my last sentence. Xdeep has had their own issues with QC in the past. But I am a big Xdeep fan.
Unfortunately the people in charge are also sidewinder fanbois themselves. My concern is that there have been many discussions about safety issues with the sidewinder. Is Patric and the other designers too close to the sw that they're going to actually fix things like the poor flood tolerance or are they going to blow it off? I know they say its a pretty much finalized product and it should be going to market soon, but they've been saying that a while.
A good example of ignoring issues occurred in my sw class with Edd. I have a ton of respect for Edd and have always appreciated his ability to see other viewpoints on things. I have found over the years and especially with the SW, he became more closed-ear. While my class was going on a well known incident occurred in Mexico where the loop hose disconnected from the tower. This was the 3rd or 4th occurrence, not on the same unit and not the same diver. This particular instance was a very well-known, highly respected instructor and instructor examiner. As soon as Edd got the phone calls and text he halted class to talk to whoever was on the other end of the line and his responses were to denigrate the divers for having poor skills and their inability to set up their units correctly. There were several tirades during the class about it, including him saying that in Mexico they just don't know how to dive the unit. He was completely closed minded, something I had never seen from him. So I wonder how closed off the current designers are.

 

[DOBY]

Let's be clear though, Kiss is no longer owned by Mike Young and is now owned by the Darkwater Group which also owns X-Deep and Seal drysuits.

I have great respect for Darkwater and their owners. They identified a lot of problems with the SW1 and are working hard to correct them with the SW2, including flood tolerance. The new/current KISS company and owner(s) did not want to be associated with the GO at all. Which is why it's called a "DiveTalk GO." DiveTalk who either own or distribute/market the GO, and is the training agency for it, apparently have no problems being associated with it......enough said.

 

[J-Vo]

Based on this thread I should be dead.

By some accident, my SW1 has never failed me either before or during a dive. I've had buddies on Megs, Tiberons, JJs, and Choptimas bailout/site out due to unit issues.

 

[rddvet]

Based on this thread I should be dead.

By some accident, my SW1 has never failed me either before or during a dive. I've had buddies on Megs, Tiberons, JJs, and Choptimas bailout/site out due to unit issues.

that in no way means there's not issues with the sidewinder. They're issues that new ccr divers with zero experience should be informed of prior to choosing the unit and the instructors aren't.
All ccrs can have issues. But there's some big compromises when owning a sw

 

[Underwater Tourist]

@rddvet @rjack321 @J-Vo about the flood tolerance point, Patrick and Edd would often say that SW counterlung is a giant water trap that makes it difficult for the water to reach the inhale side. What is your guys experience with it?

 

[rjack321]

@rddvet @rjack321 @J-Vo about the flood tolerance point, Patrick and Edd would often say that SW counterlung is a giant water trap that makes it difficult for the water to reach the inhale side. What is your guys experience with it?

If there's water in the CL and you tip down you will get a caustic. And many caves demand you go head down. It's a terrible water trap because there's no way to dewater it.

 

[rddvet]

@rddvet @rjack321 @J-Vo about the flood tolerance point, Patrick and Edd would often say that SW counterlung is a giant water trap that makes it difficult for the water to reach the inhale side. What is your guys experience with it?

If there's water in the CL and you tip down you will get a caustic. And many caves demand you go head down. It's a terrible water trap because there's no way to dewater it.

What he said. It’s bs. My sw class definitely gave me a different view of Edd because there were a lot of semi-truths like that being thrown around. I had some questions about sw related issues I had heard about and this responses were to blow them off as bs or he would give me a not fully true answer like the counter lung thing.
I respect Edd and Patric but they are both making a very significant amount of money off the sw and over the most recent few years it feels as that is motivation for some of their thoughts in relation to sw issues
Funny how it seems the same goes for woody and the other dive talk tool.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

I respect Edd and Patric but they are both making a very significant amount of money off the sw and over the most recent few years it feels as that is motivation for some of their thoughts in relation to sw issues

How can you respect them when you clearly state they are misleading the diving public over this rebreather?

 

[rddvet]

How can you respect them when you clearly state they are misleading the diving public over this rebreather?

I respect their accomplishments as divers and explorers and as quality instructors. But some of what I’ve experienced in relation to the sw has taken away from their stature in my mind. But I’m trying to assume their just blinded by their love for the sw when their not fully transparent. Kinda like everyone thinks their ugly ass kid is the cutest baby in the world. Sometimes your blinded by the thing you love. Or it could be money. To me as an outside observer with some people direct first-hand experience, I think it’s a combination of the two. I don’t agree with it but I can still respect their other accomplishments/positives. I would never even think of saying either isn’t a quality instructor.
Kinda like the old school reel love Edd has had for years. I don’t agree, but I’m not going to lose respect for him over it.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

@rddvet OK.