I have no problem with your statement whatsoever. A squared away diver is a squared away diver regardless of who trained them or which agency they came from.mempilot:OK. I'll accept that. I tend to evalute a diver on their demonstrated ability and never ask about which agency taught them. Many people dedicated to excellence tend to improve on their own without an instructor. They grasp the concepts and learn to improve on them. They transend a standard, which is really only a baseline anyway. Some of the best pilots I've flown with didn't come from the same training background I have. But they have incredible skill and were squared away. They are naturals. Maybe they were born with it while the rest of us just mimick it. ??