landlocked
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I was having the same problem. It finally worked after I was prompted to add the directX component for Quicktime.
DIR video of open water divers
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I just watched the video again. There are some divers on the line ascending mostly vertical and they are finning. However, I didn't see any of them finning vigerously. As for holding the line...A controled rate of ascent is desireable and so is not losing the line so do what you think best. I stay horizantal because it gives me more control and my IANTD tech training taught me that lung function is prabably more efficient. The worst thing I noticed about the divers on the line is that I saw alternates dangling. That is unsafe. Since they were using the line I would tend to think their ascent speed was fairly constant (good). The "DIR" divers were above sometimes and below others. It appears as if they did not control their ascent rate (bad).
For new divers who have just learned to hover horizantaly they seem pretty flipping cocky.
Learning to be a better diver is good. Influencing others to do so is good. Some of the conduct I see from newbies who have just learned some new words and to hover horizantally is bad. If you want to lead you must lead by setting an example that others WANT to follow. Sometimes a little knowlege can be dangerous.
I think UP does a good job of this. but.. whoever put this film clip together will convince noone.
For new divers who have just learned to hover horizantaly they seem pretty flipping cocky.
Learning to be a better diver is good. Influencing others to do so is good. Some of the conduct I see from newbies who have just learned some new words and to hover horizantally is bad. If you want to lead you must lead by setting an example that others WANT to follow. Sometimes a little knowlege can be dangerous.
I think UP does a good job of this. but.. whoever put this film clip together will convince noone.
That was the main thing I came away with too. Sure, the guys on the line didn't look too great but the attitude of the others looked worse.
Tom
landlocked
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:box: This topic seems to get a little juvenile in a "mine is bigger than yours" sort of way. Even non-DIR divers have to admit that DIR instruction improves skills. Any instruction and especially instruction this intense is valuable. DIR divers on the other hand are a little brain washed and accordingly fun to mess with. Are all non-DIR divers unsafe? Come on! To be honest, the over strained emotion on both sides is getting a little old. Lighten up a little. Diving is suppose to be fun (for most of us a least.) I think the point here is the video not whose is bigger.
The video was made in a fun way however, it is a little belittling in it's implications. Personally I don't think that it shows what the authors are trying to point out. What we actually see are a couple of divers messing around on the line while a couple of other divers swim around making fun of them. At first there are 3 DIR divers and two on the line. The divers on the line are then joined in a sloppy way be a third diver with jet fins. Wait... is that a bungied octo I see! Quick count, how many DIR divers are left!
The video was made in a fun way however, it is a little belittling in it's implications. Personally I don't think that it shows what the authors are trying to point out. What we actually see are a couple of divers messing around on the line while a couple of other divers swim around making fun of them. At first there are 3 DIR divers and two on the line. The divers on the line are then joined in a sloppy way be a third diver with jet fins. Wait... is that a bungied octo I see! Quick count, how many DIR divers are left!
A couple guys just got through DIRF and want to make fun of people that dive like they did last month. Like I said, I guarantee I get more crap for DIR than I give to the non-DIR divers in my club and the ones I dive with from time to time in local quarries and on boats. From my perspective, non-DIR divers are the hostile ones towards DIR, not the other way around. Then again, I don't go around acting like a horse's tail like these guys and proselytizing every chance I get.
DivePartner1
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of universal statements (except this kind!). Neither all DIR divers nor all non-DIR divers are good or bad.
I'm not convinced this video says anything about DIR or non-DIR divers. The video shows individuals. The ones on the line appear over-weighted--finning at the end of a dive when they should be light. If they are instructors or are 'advanced', they need help and they need to dive with someone who can help them.
If the hovering divers are really DIR newbies, as their taunting suggests, they are no help to anyone and I'd worry about where their smugness might lead.
From my humble experience, when I REALLy learned bouyancy from my diving Zenmaster Heidi, I pushed to see how little weight I could get away with until my smugness made be too light on a deep dive, and the finning to stay down gave me close to an OOA and that could have required a deep free ascent. I hope these youngsters learn humility without getting hurt. It would be nicer still if they could assist fellow divers instead of ridiculing them, as they are doing here.
To the extent that DIR promotes advanced skills and discipline, that's really great. But skills can be learned by practice with real masters, and this ain't rocket science. This all boils down to what each of us are willing to learn on our own terms.
I'm not convinced this video says anything about DIR or non-DIR divers. The video shows individuals. The ones on the line appear over-weighted--finning at the end of a dive when they should be light. If they are instructors or are 'advanced', they need help and they need to dive with someone who can help them.
If the hovering divers are really DIR newbies, as their taunting suggests, they are no help to anyone and I'd worry about where their smugness might lead.
From my humble experience, when I REALLy learned bouyancy from my diving Zenmaster Heidi, I pushed to see how little weight I could get away with until my smugness made be too light on a deep dive, and the finning to stay down gave me close to an OOA and that could have required a deep free ascent. I hope these youngsters learn humility without getting hurt. It would be nicer still if they could assist fellow divers instead of ridiculing them, as they are doing here.
To the extent that DIR promotes advanced skills and discipline, that's really great. But skills can be learned by practice with real masters, and this ain't rocket science. This all boils down to what each of us are willing to learn on our own terms.
And it really has more to do with smugness than DIR.... unfortunately smugness and DIR are once again linked.
I wish this video had stayed hidden behind the icon... but somebody thought it was a good idea to post the link on techdiver and thence... well that doesn't matter now...
Chalk it up to new divers with new skills...
landlocked
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Comon there UP, with all this humility floating around it's hard for a guy to have a little fun. Hey, I baited the hook! No one want to bite? Please? 
(Actually, I liked the film. It was creative. I'm glad someone posted it.)
(Actually, I liked the film. It was creative. I'm glad someone posted it.)
... argue with Landlocked... he needs a good tussle and I'm just not up for it at the moment... gotta go get the dive gear loaded...
Detroit Diver should be calling any minute
Detroit Diver should be calling any minute
Landlocked,
You are a true moron. You have no clue. You are a danger to yourself and others and should be banned from the water and locked in a padded cell. (Was that enough of a DIR response?)
Was that good enough? Actually I think the guy is on the right track..the guys on the line look to have poor fundamental diving skills and the "DIR" guys with the camera look like a-holes.
I think that is what I dislike about this video the most...it really reinforces the crappy stereotypes of both camps, namely that non-DIR divers have crappy diving technique/skills and that DIR divers are jerks (both of which we refined scubaboarders know to be untrue, right?).
You are a true moron. You have no clue. You are a danger to yourself and others and should be banned from the water and locked in a padded cell. (Was that enough of a DIR response?)
Was that good enough? Actually I think the guy is on the right track..the guys on the line look to have poor fundamental diving skills and the "DIR" guys with the camera look like a-holes.
I think that is what I dislike about this video the most...it really reinforces the crappy stereotypes of both camps, namely that non-DIR divers have crappy diving technique/skills and that DIR divers are jerks (both of which we refined scubaboarders know to be untrue, right?).
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