Depreciation of High End Regulators ?

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My criteria were:

1. Brand that could be serviced anywhere I happen to be.
2. Low requirement for maintenence.
3. Excellent performance no matter what the circumstances.
4. Longevity - I plan on a minimum of 10 years.

Aqualung met and exceeds all the above. I never even thought about resale.

My first reg was a Sherwood Oasis (1989) and I got rid of it in 2000. I sold it to a friend and he is still using it.

I now have two Aqualung Legend LX and one Aqualung Titan Micra ADJ. No, I did not pay retail.
 
Depreciation...
I don't thing is my primary concern.
Apeks and Scubapro is Good performance regs, easy to find spare parts, I can used for many years.
I never consider sales it, resale is not my concerned
 
Anyone who buys a used regulator is buying gear that does not have a warranty. If you don't care about the mfg warranty (or LDS services), then your first choice would be a new regulator from an online store like LeisurePro.
I would say the resale value would be based on depreciation from the price of new "online gear" and not the price charged by your LDS. If your reg sells for $600 at the LDS but $400 new online your not going to get $400 for used, more like $200 to 350 based on condition.
eBay is a good source but final sale prices can vary. One of the factors driving the price up will be the number of items available at any given time. If there is only one Atomic M1 listed and 15 bidders want it, that regulator will sell for more money, than if the are five of the same model and only 2 bidders interested in them at that momment.
Hope this helps.
 
Given a choice between a new Leisure pro reg and a used freshly serviced reg for sale at the local dive shop, I'd probably go with the reg in the local dive shop assuming it was in very good to excellent cosmetic condition.

For one, it will be properly adjusted and tuned for peak performance while the L-P reg has probably been on the shelf awhile since it was factory assembled. It it has been sitting a year or more with pressure on the seat, it may not make the first annual service without needing adjustment or service. And your LDS will not be overly impressed when you ask them to fix your new L-P reg.

At least if you buy the used reg from the local shop it willbe sold freshly serviced and tuned and they will most likely do any adjustment needed for your specific tastes for free and will not treat you like dirt when it comes in for annual service. The good will you gain with the LDS purchase does have value.

Also, smart shop owners will do an in house warranty for the first year or two and will often throw in free annual service parts during the warranty period.

A used reg often ends up being a better deal in the long run than a new L-P reg for similar money.

Shops that take trade in regs are able to compete a bit more effecitvely with L-P and other grey market vendors as they can use a generous trade in allowance to work around dealer price restrictions and give a steep discount to the customer on a new reg. Then they can sell the used reg to a cash strapped diver as a way to get him or her into a better reg than they could otherwise afford and can create a loyal customer who will come back to them, trade in reg in hand, when they want to upgrade. Done, well, everyone wins.

And that is an aspect of re-sale value no one has considered yet - if you buy the reg used and sell it or trade it in for a reasonbale allowance, you really lose very little money on it assuming you have properly maintained it and generally kept it in good looking condition.

E-bay is another matter. Some of the regs are real buys while others have serious and unknown and/or undisclosed issues. If you buy on e-bay know exactly what you are getting, stick with a brand you can get serviced locally and that is either current production or is an SP or Aqualung reg to ensure you can an still get parts for. Then bid on the assumption that at a minimum you will have to pay for a full overhaul at your local LDS.
 
DA Aquamaster raises some good points but...

If I had a quarter for everytime I tried to sell a mint piece of dive gear and was told "I can buy it new for $$$ on LP" I would be diving Coz right now instead of typing!

Where I live none of our LDS will take trades, or sell used gear (they claim it's due to liability issues). If they did, they probably would not give you more than half of the price could sell it for. The reason being that would they would have to service it before re-sale, give the buyer some sort of warranty (30 days) and make a profit.

I have found that a large number of buyers are more concerned with "price point" than "value added services" from the LDS. Also I have had 3 or 4 regs come back from the LDS that needed to be returned, after a rebuild, due to perfomance problems. I now preffer to send my gear to the factory for service, rather than trust the local shop.

The last 2 brand new SP regulators I purchased from the LDS were in stock for at least 10 months. When I purchased them they were pulled off the display wall, my guages and BC hoses were attached, and they were given a quick check for IP before being handed to me. Now I was once told by the LDS that a regulator required annual service (even if had not been used since the last overhaul) because of static pressure on the seat. When I asked about replacing the seats on these new regulators because of static pressure over the last year I was told "there's no need, it's brand new...". So much for the value added from buying from that shop.

I still maintain that resale value (to most buyers) will be based on depreciation from online prices (instead of MSRP), and the cost of an overhaul before use first.

PS- It's nice to see your LDS "does it right". BTW the LDS I mentioned above recently went out of business... I wonder why?
 
Hmm...your post points out everything an LDS can do wrong. Personal service and an extra measure of quality is what a dive shop can offer over Leisure pro and if a shop chooses not to do that, life is going to get tough for them.

Unfortunately those business practices are then associated with all other local dive shops.

As an aside, a first stage could sit virtually forever on the shelf and not need service as the seat is off the orifice when it is unpressurized. The second stage however will have the spring pressing the seat against the orifice and this can cause a seating groove that at a minimum requires the orifice to be screwed in slightly farther to resolve any slight freeflow. If the groove is excessive though, it is a situation where the seat should be replaced.

Dealers can buy the rubber seat for the S-wing poppet used in SP balanced second stages for $1.00 and it only takes about 5 minutes to change it, test and retune the second stage. The rubber seats used in the R190, R295, etc are even cheaper and can be changed even faster from the inlet fitting with no need to even open the case.

It's not asking too much to have the dealer do that on a $250 to $600 regulator where his margin is about half of that price.

On the side of the box your SP reg comes in will be a tag with the product name, part number and serial number. And on the right side of that tag written vertically will be what amounts to a "born on" date for the reg. if that date is more than 6 months old, asking for a new seat in the second stage is a reasonable request.

If they refuse to do it, ask for another reg with a fresher date that has been in the inventory less than 6 months. Being picky is one of the priviledges you should excercise when shopping at an LDS. I think if customers are informed enough and confident enough to expect and ask for better service and not accept crappy answers from LDS staff, the LDS does a much better job of providing that level of service.
 
jbichsel:
My criteria were:

1. Brand that could be serviced anywhere I happen to be.
2. Low requirement for maintenence.
3. Excellent performance no matter what the circumstances.
4. Longevity - I plan on a minimum of 10 years.

Aqualung met and exceeds all the above.

Does #1 now apply to Apex since its part of AL ?
 
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