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Using the right tool for the job is important. Do not use free diving fins for SCUBA diving. There is a reason why SCUBA diving fins are shorter, wider and more rigid. The mass of a fully equipped diver and the amount of drag induced by equipment is so great that freediving fins would only create problems for the diver. The PADI slam is not necessary. Divers beware of bad advice. Seek a professional for advice if you are thinking of changing a piece of equipment.
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Don't let anyone tell you freedive fins are not better for scuba..this is a long running corruption in the dive industry---I blame this on dive shops that don't want to stock an inventory of fins where you have to buy 10 different sizes, as opposed to 2 sizes---dive shops like the one size fits all solution for low inventory costs...and then there is the predominate PADI professional, who will certify ANYONE, regardless of how uncoordinated they are( they don't want there never evers to fail the walking part)---walking on a dive boat with freedive fins on is more difficult than walking with short stubby scuba fins; For a person who is a "never-ever" in diving, this challenge will show them to be in an environment they are failing miserably in--they will fall easily, stepping on their own fins, etc. A well coordinated diver, will have zero trouble walking in them. And, remember, you buy fins for underwater propulsion, not for doing speed walking marathons.
There is also the issue of getting into the water--with freediving fins you DO NOT do a giant stride entry--this would overstress the long blade--instead, you either back flop in, or learn to dive head first ( my method).
With Freediving fins, you have many advantages over all scuba fin alternatives:
* Freedive fins are soft and more efficient--you will learn that you kick a large amplitude, slow frequency kick, with far LESS muscular effort than traditional scuba fins--barefoot kicking would have less effort, as would tiny little fins or fins with huge slices in them which drastically reduce their propulsion--but these are also much slower methods of moving through the water.
*Freedive fins allow you to kick, and glide, and to maintain a much lower heart rates than a high cadence fin ( normal scuba fin), low HR equating to lower breathing rate and longer bottom time potential.
* Freedive fins give you a much higher emergency top speed, to be used for current problems, opportunity of a lifetime whale photo, getting to a diver in distress, and on an on.
* Once you learn how to use freedive fins, you can exhibit far greater control in the water than the typical scuba diver will ever have--this means you will be the least likely diver to pummel the reef with your fins.
* Freedivng fins are NOT suited to diving in caves or deep within shipwrecks where there are siltout issue---they create to much potential for silting. Caves are the only place I do not use my freedive fins on scuba dives.
* Freedive fins can even allow a fit diver to keep up with scooter divers. I did this for years, even on tech dives. In fact, my cruising speed can be higher than techna's, and the other typical junky scooters you usually see on charter boats. I can keep of with a Gavin for a while, but if gavin scooters are run full tilt, without letup for over 5 minutes--say a whole dive, then it will not be practical to try to keep up to them.

Dan Volker
 
Actually they are Jet Fins on Steroids. The edge construction is more rigid and the water flow through the fin is balanced. These fins provide tremendous control and turning on a dime. The next level up would be a split fin design. For those of you that TEC dive and require less weight on your feet and legs the OMS fin is for you.

looks just like scubapro jetfins.
 
How about the Picasso Black Team fins? Are they available in the Philippines? I've heard they're pretty good as well.
 
Using the right tool for the job is important. Do not use free diving fins for SCUBA diving. There is a reason why SCUBA diving fins are shorter, wider and more rigid. The mass of a fully equipped diver and the amount of drag induced by equipment is so great that freediving fins would only create problems for the diver. The PADI slam is not necessary. Divers beware of bad advice. Seek a professional for advice if you are thinking of changing a piece of equipment.
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Clearly spoken by a clueless dive professional :)
I can prove what I say anytime. It sounds like you have either never tried freediving fins, or you don't have the coordination to use them, or , you are geared up like a puffer fish, and swimming head up, feet down, pushing a huge bow wave-for this kind of diver, the better solution is not to dive.

Dan Volker
 
Wow.....okay, nice comment. Opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. Continue with your opinions because we are open minded here. I still disagree.
 
How about the Picasso Black Team fins? Are they available in the Philippines? I've heard they're pretty good as well.

woohoo! i found one in cebu, last pair, my size... woohoo! :D

dan&baby, thanks for the vivid comments. actually i am getting the right tool for the job :eyebrow:
 
Alrighty then....I see our spearfishing (grrr), technical, freediving buddy punched out.....maybe I was too rough on him. Maybe he'll come back and provide more insight at a later date.
 
With Freediving fins, you have many advantages over all scuba fin alternatives:
* Freedive fins are soft and more efficient--you will learn that you kick a large amplitude, slow frequency kick, with far LESS muscular effort than traditional scuba fins--barefoot kicking would have less effort, as would tiny little fins or fins with huge slices in them which drastically reduce their propulsion--but these are also much slower methods of moving through the water.
*Freedive fins allow you to kick, and glide, and to maintain a much lower heart rates than a high cadence fin ( normal scuba fin), low HR equating to lower breathing rate and longer bottom time potential.
* Freedive fins give you a much higher emergency top speed, to be used for current problems, opportunity of a lifetime whale photo, getting to a diver in distress, and on an on.
* Once you learn how to use freedive fins, you can exhibit far greater control in the water than the typical scuba diver will ever have--this means you will be the least likely diver to pummel the reef with your fins.
* Freedivng fins are NOT suited to diving in caves or deep within shipwrecks where there are siltout issue---they create to much potential for silting. Caves are the only place I do not use my freedive fins on scuba dives.

well here is my 2 won... While I don't actually use free diver fins, I do agree with Dan on a number of his points and seen the benefits of using a longer blade type fin (in my case Mares Avanti Excels).

I got brained washed awhile back when I was focusing on technical diving and started to use jetfins and like others, started to rave about them and how much control you have with jetfins(great for photographers too). Then I watched our DM in Palau, who was wearing one of the Mares Avanti style full-foot fins, leave me in the dust when we were trying to fight through some tough currents.

To cut the story short, I've now switched to Mares Avanti Quattro's (a nice stiff, long open foot fins) and are loving them. You get (IMHO) much more power per stroke vs a jetfin, in calm waters or against a current. Plus a slight benefit is they weigh less for traveling than jets. Sure I lose a bit on maneuverability, but they are still good enough to control my positioning for photography including back finning.
 
Mares Avanti Quattro - great fin...I have 2 pair. It is a far cry from genuine freediving fins. The blade design is at the outer limit of SCUBA fins. Your observation is right on target. A good diver will match their equipment to the conditions. Good on ya!!!
 

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