Cozumel COVID-19 updates

[ReefHound]

I also suspect there are a lot of people who think we just need to get through this year and next year things will get back to normal, even if a "new" normal.

 

[flyboy08]

I am glad that governments are spending massive amounts of money to promote vaccines. I'm hopeful they will come up with a working vaccine. If they do it will be the first successful human coronavirus vaccine. It may cause deaths, It may not last very long. If it does not produce long term immunity we will need 7 billion doses however many times per year the immunity runs out. I simply can't stop my life that long. It would destroy everything I have worked for since I was a young teen. Simple fact is the vast majority of people in this world cannot either. But it won't just destroy what they have worked for. It will starve them. If we knew that a vaccine was coming on a certain date and that it was going to work and not have terrible side effects we might spread enough wealth to get humanity through til then, at great cost. But we don't know for sure there will be a vaccine and certainly don't know when.

Captain obvious?

 

[BRT]

Captain obvious?

If it is so obvious, why do so many people suggest just shutting down till it is gone?

 

[Mike Walker]

And don't have any other serious medical issues while there as they would have to medevac you to a Lubbock hospital.

I'm counting on timing. If I'm healthy getting on the plane (with a test in the days before if I can arrange it), it is lower probability to come down with significant symptoms within the 22 hours I need to get through to Mexico. Coming back, similar reasoning and it looks like if I delay a few days some short layover flights are resuming. The trip back will hopefully be a simple walk gate to gate.

(I'll also duplicate here my mention in another thread that 'sevencorners' is offering insurance explicitly inclusive of COVID. I signed up, however, DYOR. I love that travel medical insurance quotes nearly double the moment one spends so much as 1 second in the US. Might as well get my money's worth.)

What is you plan for sleeping in the airport?

I'm debating the overnight. I don't see anything that would actually require remaining in the terminal (entry by air is open CAN->US and US->MEX based on all the information I've seen... and with preclearance I doubt they are looking at anybody on landing...). I may stay inside depending on developments between now and then. More likely, the onsite Marriott is easy enough to access without too much exposure to the city. It's been quiet the few times I've stayed pre-COVID. I imagine it's a ghost town now.

Due to my trip and overly complicated return from Egypt when this first went down it is also extremely likely that I've had it (asymptomatic) and it's looking reasonably probable that past infection is likely to provide some degree of resistance (yes, I've read both sides of this debate...). Combine that with my natural ability to avoid all human contact and I'm comfortable with my odds.

It's just probabilities. They can be managed.

 

[ggunn]

Exactly. Given that we still don't have a vaccine for the original sars virus from 20 years ago, or for the HIV virus from even earlier, all of which have had TONS of research devoted to them, at some point we may be forced to conclude that no vaccine or cure is coming, and that we just have to bite the bullet and allow the planet to get back to work, because this global shutdown bullspit will send the world's economy into an unrecoverable tailspin.

You realize, of course, that every epidemic/pandemic is different both in epidemiology and response. What worked and the way things got after time in those instances won't necessarily or even probably turn out exactly the same this time.

There's only three ways this can go. Good, bad, or mediocre.

 

[Ministryofgiraffes]

I'm counting on timing. If I'm healthy getting on the plane (with a test in the days before if I can arrange it), it is lower probability to come down with significant symptoms within the 22 hours I need to get through to Mexico. Coming back, similar reasoning and it looks like if I delay a few days some short layover flights are resuming. The trip back will hopefully be a simple walk gate to gate.

(I'll also duplicate here my mention in another thread that 'sevencorners' is offering insurance explicitly inclusive of COVID. I signed up, however, DYOR. I love that travel medical insurance quotes nearly double the moment one spends so much as 1 second in the US. Might as well get my money's worth.)



I'm debating the overnight. I don't see anything that would actually require remaining in the terminal (entry by air is open CAN->US and US->MEX based on all the information I've seen... and with preclearance I doubt they are looking at anybody on landing...). I may stay inside depending on developments between now and then. More likely, the onsite Marriott is easy enough to access without too much exposure to the city. It's been quiet the few times I've stayed pre-COVID. I imagine it's a ghost town now.

Due to my trip and overly complicated return from Egypt when this first went down it is also extremely likely that I've had it (asymptomatic) and it's looking reasonably probable that past infection is likely to provide some degree of resistance (yes, I've read both sides of this debate...). Combine that with my natural ability to avoid all human contact and I'm comfortable with my odds.

It's just probabilities. They can be managed.

Any reason why you aren’t flying Toronto to Cancun direct? Just out of interest... or are you going to Cabo?

 

[Mark IV]

You realize, of course, that every epidemic/pandemic is different both in epidemiology and response. What worked and the way things got after time in those instances won't necessarily or even probably turn out exactly the same this time.

There's only three ways this can go. Good, bad, or mediocre.

Of course i realize there are variables in every situation, my point was that it's entirely plausible that they never develop a safe, effective vaccine, and that we may have no alternative other than biting the proverbial bullet, and opening the world up again. The full-on global depression that is looming (in fact, is probably inevitable, even without this virus), could easily have effects that rival or exceed the calamitous effects of the virus. People seem highly reluctant to even consider the very plausible possibility that this ends badly, no matter what.
Obviously, I hope not, but to steadfastly refuse to even consider the possibility, is naive in the extreme, yet that seems to be a very prevalent mindset.

 

[ReefHound]

Of course i realize there are variables in every situation, my point was that it's entirely plausible that they never develop a safe, effective vaccine, and that we may have no alternative other than biting the proverbial bullet, and opening the world up again.

And if that happens, all this economic damage from lockdowns will have been for nothing.

 

[morecowbells]

Everyday when I look at my local news there is always the headline "New Record with Covid Infections". The numbers continue to spike daily. However, I really am not paying attention to the actual numbers. I can practically drive for 5 minutes and get Covid tested at a dozen different places. Back in March and April it was nearly impossible to get tested unless you met numerous portions of the criteria. What I do pay attention to is the acuity/severity of infected patients. Last week my hsopital did have a slight bump up with Covid hospital admissions, but now they are back down. We currently have two Covid patients on ventilators versus thirty six in March. This can also be due to different treatment modalities. My personal belief is that the infections are becoming less severe. Houston? Who knows what is happening there.

I am not afraid of getting infected in Cozumel. I have been on the frontlines since this monster started. I have antibodies(but in reality, who knows how long those will last?). My fear is getting infected going from point A to B(much higher risk areas than dining, diving and walking outside in Mexico)during journey to Cozumel; and getting sick in another country. I desperately need a vacation after my life has been turned upside down. I have a week off in October, hoping to be on the island then, too paranoid to actually purchase tix just yet.

 

[Mike Walker]

Any reason why you aren’t flying Toronto to Cancun direct? Just out of interest... or are you going to Cabo?

At risk of the thread police derailing a perfectly good conversation: Cabo
Though, 'simple' routes to Coz, Bonaire, etc. are all pretty much the same for me.
Houston figures into just about any sane United itinerary going South from YYC...
(along with the lovely 06:00 departure times that usually necessitates for same day connections)

too paranoid to actually purchase tix just yet.

If one good thing has come form this mess it is that last minute and flexible travel is now much more viable.
I'm only booking key pieces in advance - flights, hotels, etc. are all either refundable or easily bookable last minute it seems.
There are certainly deals to be had.