Cozumel COVID-19 updates

[chillyinCanada]

The grasshopper - Jules Lefebvre - Google Arts & Culture

That's some amazing detailing on her toes, otherwise it seems to me that the artist blurred some bits.

 

[chillyinCanada]

A number of countries managed to limit significantly the impact of the virus, keeping the deaths at minimal numbers, and leaving most of their population not infected. But also maintaining their economy open. I mean South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, etc.
And this despite more proximity to China.
Other countries, here in Europe, did react slowly, and we paid an high cost in terms of human lifes, as it happened here in Italy, Spain and France. We needed a severe lockdown for bringing back the virus spread under control. It costed a lot of money, but slowly we are coming out of the tunnel, the economy is slowly recovering, and the health system is now capable of managing the situation.
Unfortunately, a number of other countries did not manage to react even late, and are allowing the virus to spread uncontrolled. It is sad to see that these countries include three of the most rich and powerful countries, US, UK and Brasil. I suppose that this will result in an enormous number of deaths, and simultaneously in a terrible economic damage.
It is pointless for me debating if it is better to reopen entirely so that the economy can recover (but with the virus spreading uncontrolled, I doubt the economy can go well) or closing everything making people becoming so poor to be unable to eat.
Both solutions are wrong.
What is required is to follow the model of what was done in the Asian countries who managed to control the virus better. They did track people violating their privacy, but ensuring to block the spreading. People always wear masks in public (accurately covering mouth and nose, not like here where people wear a mask covering barely their chin), avoid touching each other, and keep strict hygienic procedures. In part is their culture, in part they were forced to act this way. But hey, that worked! It is the only known way, without the need of hoping in a future vaccine, or in some miraculous medicine...

I'm going to so miss hugging. For now, I'm missing people and diving butnot enough to wander about. I will stick to my current regimen until November, if I have to or if I lose my mind, whichever shall first occur. After November, if nothing has changed then it will be normal to not be going out and about because I will still be stuck here in the snow and cold.

I'm very sad but not just for myself or even that much for myself. I'm very sad for the young people whose lives are upside down before they've even been able to live them. Can you imagine being a child or teenager not being able to hang out with your friends? Or university student suddenly having to take classes on the internet and have almost no social life? What becomes of the chosen major?

And let me not extend my thoughts to the greater world.

 

[ggunn]

There's nothing wrong or insulting with referring to people from The Orient, as "Oriental" (and I'd hardly be offended at being referred to as Occidental).
And, it's completely possible that there are genetic factors that make some people more or less susceptible. Contrary to the contemporary cultural brainwashing you seem to be having a tough time working through, we are not all 100% identical......and there's nothing wrong, insulting, or racist about that, either.

I never said it wasn't possible, only that when all you have is the countries and the numbers there is no evidence to support what you are saying. "Oriental" people live in Japan and not here and Japan is dealing with the virus better than we are, but correlation does not show causation. It's conjecture, and frankly to me it sounds like looking for another reason to blame Mexico's (and the US's) lack of success in dealing with the coronavirus on something besides a failure to respond to the threat effectively. But I can't prove there is not a genetic link, so there must be one?

By the way, the people in Germany are genetically more like us than they are like the Japanese, and they have a pretty good hold on the problem.

 

[ggunn]

What you are saying is conjecture. Keep your mask on. But it won't save you long term.

What I am saying isn't conjecture; the data is readily available, and it shows that some countries are doing much better at dealing with COVID-19 than others. It doesn't show that there is (or is not) a genetic link to susceptibility to COVID-19. That's conjecture.

 

[deepsea21]

Some folks are ignorant beyond belief...

"Some folks?" Are you so sure about that? Check your own behavior before you throw stones. Before any U.S. Citizen points their finger at another U.S. Citizen claiming they are racist or privileged, or whatever based on the words they use they should look at themselves. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of U.S. Citizens consider the term "American" to be synonymous with "U.S. Citizen" and their use of it broadcasts their privileged entitlement to the world that We The People of the USA are the only "Americans" that really matter and totally ignores the fact that every person living in North, Central and South America are all "Americans" by proper definition. Even the dictionaries haven't figured this out yet as many still define "American" as "A native or citizen of the United States". For those who may say the only true "Americans" are Native North American Indians... Well, that displays the same level of ignorance.

I personally never refer to myself as an "American" when traveling abroad but as a "Citizen of the USA". It's just that simple because the use of "American" can be equally offensive on an international scale when traveling throughout the Americas. Again, check you're own behavior before you judge or lecture others.

 

[ggunn]

"Some folks?" Are you so sure about that? Check your own behavior before you throw stones. Before any U.S. Citizen points their finger at another U.S. Citizen claiming they are racist or privileged, or whatever based on the words they use they should look at themselves. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of U.S. Citizens consider the term "American" to be synonymous with "U.S. Citizen" and their use of it broadcasts their privileged entitlement to the world that We The People of the USA are the only "Americans" that really matter and totally ignores the fact that every person living in North, Central and South America are all "Americans" by proper definition. Even the dictionaries haven't figured this out yet as many still define "American" as "A native or citizen of the United States". For those who may say the only true "Americans" are Native North American Indians... Well, that displays the same level of ignorance.

I personally never refer to myself as an "American" when traveling abroad but as a "Citizen of the USA". It's just that simple because the use of "American" can be equally offensive on an international scale. Wake up and think before you lecture others.

I lived and worked in Peru for a while. In the briefing my company gave me before I went down there one of the first things they told me was to never refer to myself as an American to differentiate myself from someone who lived there.

 

[deepsea21]

I lived and worked in Peru for a while. In the briefing my company gave me before I went down there one of the first things they told me was to never refer to myself as an American to differentiate myself from someone who lived there.

Precisely. Because they are Americans also and to walk into another country that resides in the Americas and refer to yourself as "American" could be the ultimate U.S. Citizen's display of arrogance.

 

[BRT]

I never said it wasn't possible, only that when all you have is the countries and the numbers there is no evidence to support what you are saying. "Oriental" people live in Japan and not here and Japan is dealing with the virus better than we are, but correlation does not show causation. It's conjecture, and frankly to me it sounds like looking for another reason to blame Mexico's (and the US's) lack of success in dealing with the coronavirus on something besides a failure to respond to the threat effectively. But I can't prove there is not a genetic link, so there must be one?

By the way, the people in Germany are genetically more like us than they are like the Japanese, and they have a pretty good hold on the problem.

This is how it is in the USA. Blacks must not wear masks at all.

• Overall, American death rates from COVID-19 data (aggregated across all states with available data and the District of Columbia) have reached new highs for all race groups:
  

• 1 in 1,500 Black Americans has died (or 65.8 deaths per 100,000)
  
  
• 1 in 2,300 Indigenous Americans has died (or 43.2 deaths per 100,000)
  
  
• 1 in 3,100 Pacific Islander Americans has died (or 32.7 deaths per 100,000)
  
  
• 1 in 3,200 Latino Americans has died (or 31.1 deaths per 100,000)
  
  
• 1 in 3,600 White Americans has died (or 28.5 deaths per 100,000)
  
  
• 1 in 3,700 Asian Americans has died (or 27.7 deaths per 100,000)
  

Looks like Asians must wear them regardless of if they are Americans, Japanese or Chinese.

 

[BRT]

"Some folks?" Are you so sure about that? Check your own behavior before you throw stones. Before any U.S. Citizen points their finger at another U.S. Citizen claiming they are racist or privileged, or whatever based on the words they use they should look at themselves. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of U.S. Citizens consider the term "American" to be synonymous with "U.S. Citizen" and their use of it broadcasts their privileged entitlement to the world that We The People of the USA are the only "Americans" that really matter and totally ignores the fact that every person living in North, Central and South America are all "Americans" by proper definition. Even the dictionaries haven't figured this out yet as many still define "American" as "A native or citizen of the United States". For those who may say the only true "Americans" are Native North American Indians... Well, that displays the same level of ignorance.

I personally never refer to myself as an "American" when traveling abroad but as a "Citizen of the USA". It's just that simple because the use of "American" can be equally offensive on an international scale when traveling throughout the Americas. Again, check you're own behavior before you judge or lecture others.

How upset should I be if a citizen of Mexico refers to me as American?

 

[deepsea21]

How upset should I be if a citizen of Mexico refers to me as American?

You shouldn't be upset at all, because you are an "American" by proper definition.

Want to take this even further... How about being referred to as a "Gringo". Is that a bad thing? Websters states that Gringo is "often disparaging a foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin." SO? What is "English" or "American" origin?

Do some research on the word "Gringo". I'm a Gringo when I visit and I don't have any problem being referred to as a Gringo.