Conservation and harvesting sea cucumbers

[arew+4]

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[CuzzA]

Hopefully I can give you the view from a spearfisher's perspective........

The USA is very unique in that we are one of the only countries that allow spearfishing and hunting on Scuba Gear. Most every other country in the world requires ALL HUNTING by freediving only. {hunting on scuba is considered an unfair advantage}

In Fiji,, remember that each village is run by the 'chief'. The national government has very little enforcement or power in a village. If the chief allows Scuba/UBA/Hooka/Etc then it takes place. Just because a national minister says 'no' they really can't enforce it since they don't have the resources or money. In the village,,,it's the chief that has the power and enforcement.

And John I think it should be pointed out that the US can allow scuba harvest because we have imperfect but best in the world fisheries management. The reason the rest of the world doesn't allow it is because they did not practice sustainable fishing. I have to disagree on the unfair advantage myth... damn free divers are like ninjas on the reefs, fish never hear them coming.

 

[Wingy]

Sea cucumber harvesting on Ashmore reef and off the north west of Aus was a big issue when I was a kid 45 years ago. It's been going on for a lot longer than you would think on a commercial scale - I wonder who went and caught some of these delicacies on this menu -

The Club Dedicated to Eating Unconventional Aquatic Creatures

As far as other countries not conserving their fisheries while Australia has a lot to be desired on conservation - tell our great whites that - some folk complain now there's too many of them that are too big with terrible attitudes - turning 25 at the top of the food chain will do that.

 

[Dan]

We are just as cruel to land animals. But its easier to see the enemy across the ocean

You may see people who eat land animals being cruel to the animals because you don’t eat them. How convenience of you.

I eat pretty much everything, including meat. But, I eat meat from farm raised animal, not any exotic animal that may be hard to get. I would avoid eating things that would affect the ecological balance of nature, like shark fins soup, which is nothing but tasteless cartilage, so I was told.

The shear numbers of Chinese appetite of this “exotic” shark-fin soup has wiped out about 90% of shark world population. As the top of the food chain in the sea, the disappearance of the shark population had created havoc to the ecological balance of the sea.

The Chinese probably had wiped out their own sea cucumber in China sea and now with their big bucks in their pockets are going all the way to Fiji to wipe out the sea cucumber there. Pretty soon the sea cucumber will extinct. Chinese is not my enemy. Just their kind of attitude / mindset that I am against with.

We may be cruel towards the land animals by raising them in the farm & eat them, but at least I haven’t heard that we are going out to far flung places, financing the local people there to wipe out those land animal out there in the wild of Africa or where ever. That is the big difference between us & the Chinese.

Another ironic situation that I encountered was when I went to Tanzania with my European buddy. I had to pay $100 for tourist visa, while my buddy paid only $50 for whatever reason. Then we went on a farm tour. I saw a big sign in the farm that says “This irrigation system is built and funded by USA” and yet we got discrimated for being an American. Thanks a lot Tanzania.

 

[Anthony A.]

You may see people who eat land animals being cruel to the animals because you don’t eat them. How convenience of you.

I eat pretty much everything, including meat. But, I eat meat from farm raised animal, not any exotic animal that may be hard to get. I would avoid eating things that would affect the ecological balance of nature, like shark fins soup, which is nothing but tasteless cartilage, so I was told.

Why is it convenient? I choose not to eat meat because I dont agree with killing animals. Regardless of their size, type, domestication or whether they are exotic or not. To me a life is a life, regardless who is the "superior species." I dont judge people who eat it, as everyone can make their own decision on what is ethical or not. But when people say "we're the top of the food chain so we have the right to do whatever we like" then how is that way of thinking any different from what the chinese are doing with sharks? With that line of reasoning, the chinese have every right to do as they please cause they're "the top dog."

In america, killing sharks for fins is unethical. In other parts of the world, killing animals for meat is unethical and sacrilige. Who is right? Depends on which side of the border you were born on i guess. The arguement that land animals are less endangered than sharks still doesnt make the end result any different. Humans are responsible for killing animals/fish because they feel they have the authority and right to do so because they are the most "intelligent" species. Our acts in history certainly prove the opposite.

I personally try to do my part on this earth to keep my carbon footprint at a minimum. I have seen the oceans population deteriorate at an alarming rate over the last 15 years all over the world where i have travelled. Its sad and sickening at the same time. I made a choice to let sealife and land animals live as they have every right to do so on this planet just as we do. Why kill something just because we can? Its a piss poor arguement to do so just because we can and because we're not sending them to extinction.

 

[Dan]

Why is it convenient? I choose not to eat meat because I dont agree with killing animals. Regardless of their size, type, domestication or whether they are exotic or not. To me a life is a life, regardless who is the "superior species." I dont judge people who eat it, as everyone can make their own decision on what is ethical or not. But when people say "we're the top of the food chain so we have the right to do whatever we like" then how is that way of thinking any different from what the chinese are doing with sharks? With that line of reasoning, the chinese have every right to do as they please cause they're "the top dog."

In america, killing sharks for fins is unethical. In other parts of the world, killing animals for meat is unethical and sacrilige. Who is right? Depends on which side of the border you were born on i guess. The arguement that land animals are less endangered than sharks still doesnt make the end result any different. Humans are responsible for killing animals/fish because they feel they have the authority and right to do so because they are the most "intelligent" species. Our acts in history certainly prove the opposite.

I personally try to do my part on this earth to keep my carbon footprint at a minimum. I have seen the oceans population deteriorate at an alarming rate overo the last 15 years all over the world where i have travelled. Its sad and sickening at the same time. I made a choice to let sealife and land animals live as they have every right to do so on this planet just as we do. Why kill something just because we can? Its a piss poor arguement to do so just because we can and because we're not sending them to extinction.

Plants are also life too. They grow from seeds to plants. They just don’t have eyes to look back at you to plead for not being chopped and eaten. So, you let them die first, before you eat them? LOL

 

[Anthony A.]

Plants are also life too. They grow from seeds to plants. They just don’t have eyes to look back at you to plead for not being chopped and eaten. So, you let them die first, before you eat them? LOL

Do plants have feelings? Do they have mothers? Do they scream when you separate them at birth from their mother and then chop them up so you can enjoy a veal sandwich? Didnt think so. Once again, stop trying to justify your decision.

Plants dont have a nervous system so there is no pain experienced. When an animal is hurt, they nurse their wound and seek to avoid those who hurt them. They scream out in pain when they are being abused or hurt. Mothers even cry out for days/weeks at a time when their baby has been separated from them and if left free, will go searching for it.
I guess you think lettuce and beans will do the same when I go pluck them from their mother, right? L O L

 

[Dan]

Do plants have feelings? Do they have mothers? Do they scream when you separate them at birth from their mother and then chop them up so you can enjoy a veal sandwich? Didnt think so. Once again, stop trying to justify your decision.

Plants dont have a nervous system so there is no pain experienced. When an animal is hurt, they nurse their wound and seek to avoid those who hurt them. They scream out in pain when they are being abused or hurt. Mothers even cry out for days/weeks at a time when their baby has been separated from them and if left free, will go searching for it.
I guess you think lettuce and beans will do the same when I go pluck them from their mother, right? L O L

So, you are against a lion pouncing on a baby deer, crying in pain, seeing the mother deer crying out for days / weeks at a time when her baby has been slaughtered by the lion? That’s called nature. Welcome to the real world.

 

[Anthony A.]

So, you are against a lion pouncing on a baby deer, crying in pain, seeing the mother deer crying out for days / weeks at a time when her baby has been slaughtered by the lion? That’s called nature. Welcome to the real world.

Lions and all other animals do that to survive. Humans do it through choice, NOT survival. Thats the difference.

Humans also do it for sport, to show other small men how tough they are. Try killing an elephant or lion without a weapon and see who is stronger. Oh, and animals dont hang other animals heads up in their living room for bragging rights.

 

[BRT]

Lions and all other animals do that to survive. Humans do it through choice, NOT survival. Thats the difference.

Humans also do it for sport, to show other small men how tough they are. Try killing an elephant or lion without a weapon and see who is stronger. Oh, and animals dont hang other animals heads up in their living room for bragging rights.

Are you sure? I've seen cats that brought back dead birds to their owners every morning. Seemed like bragging to me.